Siegs>Djoos imo (pens fan) and this trade can not be made until DET puts together the Bert-Ehn-Erne line at least once ?

Thanks. Agreed on puns.

Djoos and SIegenthaler have really different styles of play. Siegenthaler could absolutely fit better on a third pair, with offensive guys like Carlson and Orlov in the top four. Djoos was on pace for 18 even strength points last year, which would tie him with Scott Mayfield and Dylan DeMelo. Siegenthaler, was on pace for just 13 even strength points, which would tie him with Marc Staal, but he was on pace for 139 blocks and 98 hits. For a team that lost Orpik to the unstoppable march of time, Siegenthaler and Gudas could be a great third pair. Or Tyler Lewington can step in, if they want someone meaner.

Seems like an overpay for Djoos. Looks like basically 3 draft picks for 1 3rd pair LD that played only half the season last year and had a major injury. Not sure how the arbitrator in this case came up with $1.25 mill, but he must be a Pens fan.

Does it really matter how many points Djoos had? Looks like this Ehn guy would just ride the pine anyway due to Dowd being a better 4C.

Doesn't fix the cap issue. It's better, but not fixed.

If you are going to move D, I say move Kempny for picks/prospects. $2.5M out, $900K replacement from Hershey, -$1.6M net, was $1.3M over the cap @23, now $300K under the cap @23. (Technically I would rather move Gudas, but no one would take him)

Not a terrible idea but makes no sense for DET to add picks especially multiple picks. Djoos is a competent player but is not worth the picks.

Well.. the conversation started with a Detroit fan posting Ehn and a 5th a month ago, and me shooting it down because Ehn is a good prospect, but got way fewer points per game than Djoos last year, and the Caps want to, like, win hockey games this year, so... if not picks, does Detroit have any intriguing forward bust who's still waiver eligible?

Ehn and a 5th would be palatable but not a 3rd and a 4th.

You can have Givani Smith instead of Ehn if you would prefer that.

Djoos got injured last summer, right? After he came back, he scored on the same pace as Dylan DeMelo or Scott Mayfield. He's a year and a half younger than them. So he has a higher ceiling than DeMelo or Mayfield. The Caps might make a bad deal if nobody bids anything much, to get a cheap, young, puck moving #4 defenseman. But someone will, because every team needs skilled young players. We had this conversation about Burakovsky.



From a standpoint of maximizing trade value, Kempny is the established top pairing LHD whom NJ would happily trade McLeod and maybe a 3rd for. Then Djoos should keep developing and score 30 points if he plays top pair with Carlson, and the Caps can trade Djoos for a late 1st next draft day, and sign Johansen at 1.5x3yrs to play top pair. But I posted it, and every single other Caps fan in history showed up to comment that the team should focus instead on trying to win another championship while it has Ovechkin, rather than worrying already about how to stay competitive after he leaves. You're welcome to try to post it again.

Colorado fans have asked on here about Gudas, and I've seen a couple teams for next fall plan on signing him. Some Toronto fan tried to give him a long term $6M deal, which I think might be realistic because Toronto signed Nylander for even more than that!

Now we're talking. Smith and something?

and the 5th

Ehn and DLR are basically the same player look at their stat line. DLR is a year older and bigger.

What about Smith and Ehn for Stephenson and Djoos? Like... since I don't have cap space for Stephenson above, anyway, and he's another marginal checking forward, who wasn't bad enough to keep the Caps from winning a Cup?

Sure why not.

This seems great.

Paging Brian MacLellan!

In that description you claimed that Djoos plays more valuable position than Ehn, but isn't 3rd pair LHD pretty much the least valuable position considering there's a surplus of players in the league in that position?

Very many posts in this site contains one move where a team moves their 3rd pair LHD, usually the most expensive one, because there's so many other options in their respective organisation to fill the slot...

Interesting point, and well stated. Djoos missed the first half of last year, and in the second half his offense was on pace for 18 even strength points which would tie Dylan DeMelo and Scott Mayfield for 91st among defensemen. They play second pair defense, and are said to have top-pair potential, even though they're a year and a half older than Djoos. I know this is controvercial, but DeMelo, Mayfield, and Djoos might each be more valuable than even a really good, two-way AHL 2C?

Demelo and Mayfield are RHDs, which pretty much instantly makes them more valuable. They also play in worse teams than WSH, hence they get more ice time.

I wouldn't say either of them has top pair potential, but they are serviceable bottom-4 to top-4 d-men.

Offensively, they were at the bottom of the #3 defenseman pile, last year, disregarding handedness. Your point that maybe there's some difference in offense between LHD and RHD is fair, so I looked it up. If Djoos played the whole year and got 18 even strength points that would tie him for 52nd among LHD with Girard and Goligoski. If the top 62 are second-pair level guys, then Djoos is playing like a top four offensive defenseman. Does that make sense? Or does the excess of LHD mean that more than 62 of the best LHD are actual top four guys, so pushing for the top-50 as a 25 year old means Djoos is definitely ready to play second pair, on any team with an opening?

Edited to add: Djoos also played right defense last year, next to speedy puck mover Brooks Orpik.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterpoints&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20182019&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&leftyOrRighty=L&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evPoints,points

I posted the part the Detroit fans and I agreed on, over on the Detroit side. With apologies to Dallas. https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1410245

Kempny is not a top pair D. The only reason that he broke the top 4 was because his competition was the likes of Jensen, Djoos and Orpik. He's a #5 that is sometimes able to fill in top 4. A team with any real depth, he is 3rd pair.

Djoos is not getting a 1st. That's just... No. A 4th, maybe a 3rd on a good day.

If someone tried giving Gudas $6M, check for mental illness. I suppose someone might give something like a 5th for him. Philly was willing to retain on him just to get him off of the roster.

Eli thinks that Djoos is worth a 1st. Just want to make sure that you saw that...

Not what I said at all. Do you come here to talk about hockey or just to try to irritate people?

Lol

Do you have multiple personalities causing you to knot know what you said an hour and a half later?

"the Caps can trade Djoos for a late 1st next draft day"

Maybe if you stop grossly over valuing Caps players people wouldn't say things like Djoos isn't worth a 1st and Kempny isn't top pair.

Waiting for the a Caps 3rd for someone's 2nd deal. Afterall, it's a Caps 3rd and it won a Cup.