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Schultz to WPG

Created by: claysbar
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 21, 2019
Published: Sep. 21, 2019
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
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I honestly believe that PIT is going to be a lottery team even with Schultz this year. Not sure if it's Rutherford's mixed up mixology or Sullivan's coaching style but something just doesn't seem to be gelling. PIT get's a chance to build the farm a bit but also has cap and picks to improve if my thought's are awry. WPG gets a now much needed TOP needed RD that can play 1st line minutes unless they pull off a BIG Conner or Laine trade for a #1 RD.
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Simon, Dominik
  2. 2020 5th round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Could be any team but ANA seems to be a good fit for a cheap 2 way / middle 6 guy with teams rights.
2.
PIT
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Jarry, Tristan ($325,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Stated my case on this before in multiple scenarios
3.
PIT
  1. Appleton, Mason
  2. Niku, Sami
  3. 2020 1st round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Schultz, Justin ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (ANA)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (PIT)
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)
  • Tristan Jarry: $325,000 (48.15%)
  • Justin Schultz: $1,500,000 (27.27%)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,949,125$132,500$3,042,500$2,550,875
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
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Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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Hörnqvist, Patric
$5,300,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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Galchenyuk, Alex
$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
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Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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McCann, Jared
$1,250,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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Bjugstad, Nick
$2,050,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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Kahun, Dominik
$925,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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Blueger, Teddy
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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Lafferty, Sam
$767,500
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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Murray, Matt
$3,750,000
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UFA - 1
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Pettersson, Marcus
$874,125
LD
UFA - 1
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Niku, Sami
$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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DeSmith, Casey
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 3
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Riikola, Juuso
$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Gudbranson, Erik
$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
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Johnson, Jack
$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 4
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Ruhwedel, Chad
$700,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:01 p.m.
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Why on earth would jets do that
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Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:02 p.m.
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Yes, other than 1st D line, it's quite possibly cataclysmic but PIT gains cap going forward, picks and decent prospects.
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:02 p.m.
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Why on earth would jets do that


?
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:04 p.m.
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Bad for the Jets
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Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:05 p.m.
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Bad for the Jets


OK, how so?
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:09 p.m.
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OK, how so?


Literally they given up 2 amazing prospects and a first for a rental more like 1 of those 3 for Schultz but all 3 that's an insan overpay.
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:09 p.m.
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?


Explain how that’s a good deal for the jets
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:11 p.m.
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Literally they given up 2 amazing prospects and a first for a rental more like 1 of those 3 for Schultz but all 3 that's an insan overpay.


Well Appleton isn’t an amazing prospect, but yeah packaging him with Niku, whose going to play top-4 this year and a 1st in a very deep draft is a bad idea for a rental
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:13 p.m.
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Literally they given up 2 amazing prospects and a first for a rental more like 1 of those 3 for Schultz but all 3 that's an insan overpay.


Niku has some potential for a 2nd pair RD and Appleton has some middle 6 potential but I 'd hardly call them amazing. I'd be fine with the 1st being conditional as a counter offer.
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:16 p.m.
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Explain how that’s a good deal for the jets


With Buff's suspension, their RD core now consists of Pionk, Niku and NOBODY. Getting a veteran that can play 1st line minutes (more suitable to 2nd but...) is about the only thing that they can do to try and save a team that should be competing for the Cup this year
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:17 p.m.
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Niku has some potential for a 2nd pair RD and Appleton has some middle 6 potential but I 'd hardly call them amazing. I'd be fine with the 1st being conditional as a counter offer.


Why would the jets trade away, players with team control and a first, for a questionable upgrade with minimal team control, little different in wpg, where they have to overpay for ufas, so they take a little more interest in there homegrown than some of the other teams in the league
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:19 p.m.
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With Buff's suspension, their RD core now consists of Pionk, Niku and NOBODY. Getting a veteran that can play 1st line minutes (more suitable to 2nd but...) is about the only thing that they can do to try and save a team that should be competing for the Cup this year


Lol and you think that is worth 2 of our top 5 prospects and a 1st pick in a very deep draft..? For a player who is injury prone nonetheless.. interesting
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Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:20 p.m.
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With Buff's suspension, their RD core now consists of Pionk, Niku and NOBODY. Getting a veteran that can play 1st line minutes (more suitable to 2nd but...) is about the only thing that they can do to try and save a team that should be competing for the Cup this year


With all there losses and struggles to sign there rfas, looking at a step back season, I just don’t see Shultz enough of a upgrade for the cost, jets are bargain hunters going to find a dman on waivers early in year and run out morrissey and 7 other dman
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:22 p.m.
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Why would the jets trade away, players with team control and a first, for a questionable upgrade with minimal team control, little different in wpg, where they have to overpay for ufas, so they take a little more interest in there homegrown than some of the other teams in the league


Shultz is a minimal upgrade over Pionk or Niku? I agree about the team control so I'd be OK with conditional on the pick, maybe PIT adds a bit but how can anyone think that WPG is gonna be OK after losing their top 4 D from last year?
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:25 p.m.
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FIrst off, the penguins aren't retaining on Jarry. That's absurd. Edmonton can figure it out if they want him, otherwise he's going to wbs and most likely someone grabs him on waivers.

Second, why would the Penguins do this. Who cares what the Jets think. The only way the penguins are moving Schultz is if they don't make the playoffs and it's TDL. Period. They aren't going to kill their chance at the playoffs trading away a legit puck moving defense man while they are trying to win a cup. That's just fantasy land. Nothing against Niku I'm sure he'll develop into a fine player. But that doesn't help them now. And frankly, it is win now.
I don't see the return here being nearly worth it. Matter of fact, it it's TDL and they are not in, Schultz returns at the very least a 1st and good prospect. No sense in doing this at all.

As far as the Simon trade, they will want more for him. My guess is he gets packaged into a deal with JJ. Maybe Simon, Jarry and JJ go for some kind of a return of minimal value but cap savings.
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:25 p.m.
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Lol and you think that is worth 2 of our top 5 prospects and a 1st pick in a very deep draft..? For a player who is injury prone nonetheless.. interesting


Starting with LOL to anyone's opinions is a great way to entertain serious discussion but we will move along from that.... If Appleton is one of you top 5 prospects, OUCH. They have been saying it's a deep draft for the past 3-4 years but it's really not nor has it been.
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:29 p.m.
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Starting with LOL to anyone's opinions is a great way to entertain serious discussion but we will move along from that.... If Appleton is one of you top 5 prospects, OUCH. They have been saying it's a deep draft for the past 3-4 years but it's really not nor has it been.


How about galchenyuk and a 2nd for kulikov?
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:33 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:43 p.m.
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How about galchenyuk and a 2nd for kulikov?


What you are proposing is like trading a Yugo for a decent Acura. I'm proposing a decent Mercedes for an electric BMW (could be good given certain circumstances).
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:33 p.m.
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Shultz is a minimal upgrade over Pionk or Niku? I agree about the team control so I'd be OK with conditional on the pick, maybe PIT adds a bit but how can anyone think that WPG is gonna be OK after losing their top 4 D from last year?


Small market team like wpg, can’t jump or impulse shop, they need to trust there development and drafting, and hopefully poolman is ready, after appearing for a short time a couple seasons and other moose have to fill holes. I’m saying it’s not ideal but it’s probably going to be morrissey and a combination of 7 other dman this year, Probably including a waiver pickup. With the past summer, probably headed for a lottery pick that wouldn’t hurt either to reset the blueline. This may help the fan base bank account a little, for some future runs.
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Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:37 p.m.
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Small market team like wpg, can’t jump or impulse shop, they need to trust there development and drafting, and hopefully poolman is ready, after appearing for a short time a couple seasons and other moose have to fill holes. I’m saying it’s not ideal but it’s probably going to be morrissey and a combination of 7 other dman this year, Probably including a waiver pickup. With the past summer, probably headed for a lottery pick that wouldn’t hurt either to reset the blueline. This may help the fan base bank account a little, for some future runs.


That waiver D might even be Ruhwedel. That guy gets so much crap for being a $700k 7th D but he's probably gonna be the one they think could go untouched if he's waived. He's really not that bad.
Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:44 p.m.
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That waiver D might even be Ruhwedel. That guy gets so much crap for being a $700k 7th D but he's probably gonna be the one they think could go untouched if he's waived. He's really not that bad.


Ya there’s usually a few guys that just need a Change of scenery or opportunity to get something rolling. I Don’t believe the jets have, much of a chance to have a great season with out laine and or Connor, no matter, how good or bad the blueline plays.
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Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:46 p.m.
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What you are proposing is like trading a Yugo for a decent Acura. I'm proposing a decent Mercedes for an electric BMW (could be good given certain circumstances).


In no way is that a good trade for the jets but nice try!!
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Sep. 21, 2019 at 10:49 p.m.
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In no way is that a good trade for the jets but nice try!!


No worries, just try feeding that monkey some gouda.
Sep. 21, 2019 at 11:26 p.m.
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Shultz is a minimal upgrade over Pionk or Niku? I agree about the team control so I'd be OK with conditional on the pick, maybe PIT adds a bit but how can anyone think that WPG is gonna be OK after losing their top 4 D from last year?


Myers was an absolute pylon, and Chairot was meh, buff hurts, but he could come back, even if he doesn't make a decision till like Jan but comes back then I wouldn't be surprised, plus Niku is really good, and isn't a ton worse than Schultz rn, plus the age difference and contracts... I'm not sure WPG would do the trade 1 for 1...
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Sep. 21, 2019 at 11:36 p.m.
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ooof thats really bad for winnipeg. 1 year of schultz does not get you 2 solid prospects plus a 1st in a projected deep draft while the Jets seem to be on the decline.
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