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Kreider and georgiev to leafs

Created by: vosse9
Initial Creation Date: Jan 23, 2020
Published: Jan 23 at 11:29 pm
Team: 2019-20 New York Rangers
Trades
NYR
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Kreider, Chris ($2,300,000 retained)
  2. Georgiev, Alexandar
NYR
  1. Borgström, Henrik
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Fast, Jesper
  2. Andersson, Lias
NYR
  1. Condon, Mike
  2. Volkov, Alexander
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. Strome, Ryan ($1,550,000 retained)
Buyouts
  • Dan Girardi: $3,611,111
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: $1,483,333
  • Ryan Spooner: $300,000
  • Brad Richards: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Chris Kreider: $2,300,000 (49.73%)
  • Ryan Strome: $1,550,000 (50%)
  • Vladislav Namestnikov: $750,000 (19%)
Buried
  • Matt Beleskey: $825,000 ($1,900,000)
  • Mike Condon: $1,325,000 ($2,400,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NYR
TOR
TBL
NYR
DAL
FLA
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NSH
VAN
2021
NYR
NYR
TOR
NYR
BUF
NYR
OTT
NYR
NYR
NYR
2022
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$78,858,967$0$8,612,500$2,641,033
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Buchnevich, Pavel
$3,250,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
NYR
Chytil, Filip
$894,166
LW, C
RFA - 2
NYR
Kakko, Kaapo
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
NYR
Lemieux, Brendan
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
FLA
Borgström, Henrik
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
NYR
McKegg, Greg
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
NYR
Howden, Brett
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
TBL
Volkov, Alexander
$864,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NYR
Smith, Brendan
$4,350,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
NYR
Haley, Micheal
$700,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYR
Staal, Marc
$5,700,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Trouba, Jacob
$8,000,000
RD
UFA - 7
NYR
Lundqvist, Henrik
$8,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Skjei, Brady
$5,250,000
LD
UFA - 5
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
NYR
Shesterkin, Igor
$925,000
G
RFA - 2
NYR
Lindgren, Ryan
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYR
Fox, Adam
$925,000
RD
RFA - 3

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Jan 23 at 11:31
#1
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Those 2nd round picks will be like 3rds when leafs hit playoffs. I am sure you can do better and get a first out of a team for the strong bottom half of the first round draft. IMO
Jan 23 at 11:51
#2
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vosse9
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Quoting: Copenhagen
Those 2nd round picks will be like 3rds when leafs hit playoffs. I am sure you can do better and get a first out of a team for the strong bottom half of the first round draft. IMO


Was trying not to be too greedy with the deal. Kapanen is a solid forward, figured he was worth about a first rounder. Kreider could be up for a bidding war so you’re right about the first rounder
Jan 23 at 11:56
#3
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Quoting: vosse9
Was trying not to be too greedy with the deal. Kapanen is a solid forward, figured he was worth about a first rounder. Kreider could be up for a bidding war so you’re right about the first rounder


He sure will be, watch Boston, Dallas and the blues. they usually step up.
Jan 24 at 12:05
#4
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Rangers say no to that Kreider deal.

Yes to the Florida deal. That value is pretty close.


Strome value is around 2nd + Volkov, so by taking Condon back and/or retaining, the return should likewise go up...
Jan 24 at 2:51
#5
AJC13
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Quoting: vosse9
Was trying not to be too greedy with the deal. Kapanen is a solid forward, figured he was worth about a first rounder. Kreider could be up for a bidding war so you’re right about the first rounder


Kapanen is not worth a 1st round pick. His stats are helped greatly by the centres and forwards he plays with, just like Namestnikov was in Tampa. Kreider is worth a 1st round pick plus a prospect and Georgiev is worth a 1st round pick (maybe more) as well. If not at the trade deadline from a contending team then at the draft by a team looking for their goalie of the future. The Rangers will receive much more in trade if they trade Georgiev and Kreider separately. As well as if they're traded to a team that believes players like Kapanen have inflated stats because of the players they're playing with. And just because you're not trying to be greedy, I assure you Jeff Gorton will be. Strome is a RFA not a UFA, so he does not have to be traded and will not be traded unless the Rangers receive more in the trade than value of resigning him.
Jan 24 at 7:42
#6
Danes1294
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 601
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NYR fans still have a hard on for Kappy but you ain't getting him lol.
Jan 24 at 7:44
#7
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Quoting: AJC13
Kapanen is not worth a 1st round pick. His stats are helped greatly by the centres and forwards he plays with, just like Namestnikov was in Tampa. Kreider is worth a 1st round pick plus a prospect and Georgiev is worth a 1st round pick (maybe more) as well. If not at the trade deadline from a contending team then at the draft by a team looking for their goalie of the future. The Rangers will receive much more in trade if they trade Georgiev and Kreider separately. As well as if they're traded to a team that believes players like Kapanen have inflated stats because of the players they're playing with. And just because you're not trying to be greedy, I assure you Jeff Gorton will be. Strome is a RFA not a UFA, so he does not have to be traded and will not be traded unless the Rangers receive more in the trade than value of resigning him.


Lol who are these centers that have padded Kapenens stats? Kerfoot and Spezza? He plays with Kerfoot and Spezza. No team is firing a 1st your way for Georgiev just get that nonsense out of your head. Yes Krieder will get you a late 1st, as for Kapenen value it's rumoured Leafs were offered 1st rnd picks from multiple teams at last year's draft for Kapenen, with Kapenen signed and producing at a Kreider pace 45/50ots a season he is a sought after commodity.
Jan 24 at 7:47
#8
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Quoting: AJC13
Kapanen is not worth a 1st round pick. His stats are helped greatly by the centres and forwards he plays with, just like Namestnikov was in Tampa. Kreider is worth a 1st round pick plus a prospect and Georgiev is worth a 1st round pick (maybe more) as well. If not at the trade deadline from a contending team then at the draft by a team looking for their goalie of the future. The Rangers will receive much more in trade if they trade Georgiev and Kreider separately. As well as if they're traded to a team that believes players like Kapanen have inflated stats because of the players they're playing with. And just because you're not trying to be greedy, I assure you Jeff Gorton will be. Strome is a RFA not a UFA, so he does not have to be traded and will not be traded unless the Rangers receive more in the trade than value of resigning him.


not sure how much of the leafs you watch but kappy plays on the third line and when he plays with the top 2 centers he is usually on his off wing. for a player to perform like this on a third line and with a cost controlled contract and can play on his off wing is worth the first for sure.
Jan 24 at 7:48
#9
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Quoting: Boomer125
Lol who are these centers that have padded Kapenens stats? Kerfoot and Spezza? He plays with Kerfoot and Spezza. No team is firing a 1st your way for Georgiev just get that nonsense out of your head. Yes Krieder will get you a late 1st, as for Kapenen value it's rumoured Leafs were offered 1st rnd picks from multiple teams at last year's draft for Kapenen, with Kapenen signed and producing at a Kreider pace 45/50ots a season he is a sought after commodity.


exactally and kappy produces about the same on a lower line, he is younger, and will get better.
Jan 24 at 8:06
#10
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Quoting: Copenhagen
Those 2nd round picks will be like 3rds when leafs hit playoffs. I am sure you can do better and get a first out of a team for the strong bottom half of the first round draft. IMO


You're also getting Kapanen out of the deal. Most teams wont give up a prospect with nearly that much potential which is one may be willing to give up a first, but that's a maybe. If the Rangers are offered Kapanen and 2 second rounders, there's no way they say no.
Jan 24 at 8:06
#11
Oui non grille-pain
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Quoting: vosse9
Was trying not to be too greedy with the deal. Kapanen is a solid forward, figured he was worth about a first rounder. Kreider could be up for a bidding war so you’re right about the first rounder


Kapanen is pretty overrated imo. NYR could do better than that.
Jan 24 at 8:13
#12
AJC13
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Quoting: johnston3504
not sure how much of the leafs you watch but kappy plays on the third line and when he plays with the top 2 centers he is usually on his off wing. for a player to perform like this on a third line and with a cost controlled contract and can play on his off wing is worth the first for sure.


Quoting: johnston3504
exactally and kappy produces about the same on a lower line, he is younger, and will get better.


Playing mostly on the 3rd line this year, Kapanen's stats are nothing special.
Jan 24 at 8:19
#13
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Quoting: AJC13
Playing mostly on the 3rd line this year, Kapanen's stats are nothing special.


Playing a back up role niether are georgievs
Jan 24 at 8:28
#14
AJC13
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Quoting: Boomer125
Lol who are these centers that have padded Kapenens stats? Kerfoot and Spezza? He plays with Kerfoot and Spezza. No team is firing a 1st your way for Georgiev just get that nonsense out of your head. Yes Krieder will get you a late 1st, as for Kapenen value it's rumoured Leafs were offered 1st rnd picks from multiple teams at last year's draft for Kapenen, with Kapenen signed and producing at a Kreider pace 45/50ots a season he is a sought after commodity.


LOL! Rangers are not trading the Leafs Georgiev and Kreider at a reduced rate, so get that nonsense out of your head. Unfortunately there is no other goalie other than Georgiev who could save Toronto's season by giving Andersson enough rest to not be burnt out if Toronto actually makes the playoffs and can also win enough games for the Leafs even make the playoffs. Kreider will get much more than your offering because he's got speed, skill, and "toughness". Toughness... Teams need toughness to win the Stanley Cup, which is why yet another year will pass without Toronto winning the cup.
Jan 24 at 8:35
#15
AJC13
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Quoting: Boomer125
Playing a back up role niether are georgievs


LOL! Georgiev is not playing a back up role. Only goalies playing under short sighted management play just about every game like Andersson does. Come playoff time Andersson will be completely exhausted because playing him every game is the only way Toronto squeaks into the playoffs.
Jan 24 at 8:40
#16
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Quoting: AJC13
LOL! Rangers are not trading the Leafs Georgiev and Kreider at a reduced rate, so get that nonsense out of your head. Unfortunately there is no other goalie other than Georgiev who could save Toronto's season by giving Andersson enough rest to not be burnt out if Toronto actually makes the playoffs and can also win enough games for the Leafs even make the playoffs. Kreider will get much more than your offering because he's got speed, skill, and "toughness". Toughness... Teams need toughness to win the Stanley Cup, which is why yet another year will pass without Toronto winning the cup.


Leafs have no interest in Krieder , we have 2 of him already in Johnsson and Kapenen - Krieder is ok just ok not great, not a game breaker, he's a nice to have power forward that will not be worth resigning for anything more than 5x4 , he'll get a JVR contract from some moron GM and by game 45 the Fan base will hate every penny and minute of it
Jan 24 at 8:54
#17
AJC13
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Quoting: Boomer125
Leafs have no interest in Krieder , we have 2 of him already in Johnsson and Kapenen - Krieder is ok just ok not great, not a game breaker, he's a nice to have power forward that will not be worth resigning for anything more than 5x4 , he'll get a JVR contract from some moron GM and by game 45 the Fan base will hate every penny and minute of it


LOL! Kreider is 6'3 and 230 lbs. Johnson is 5'10 and both he and Kapanen are under 200 lbs. "We have 2 of him already in Johnson and Kapanen." Yeah keep believing that when your team misses the playoffs or if Toronto does squeak into the playoffs, gets steam rolled by a bigger, stronger, tougher, team yet again. You calling a GM a moron is a complement.
Jan 24 at 9:27
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: AJC13
LOL! Kreider is 6'3 and 230 lbs. Johnson is 5'10 and both he and Kapanen are under 200 lbs. "We have 2 of him already in Johnson and Kapanen." Yeah keep believing that when your team misses the playoffs or if Toronto does squeak into the playoffs, gets steam rolled by a bigger, stronger, tougher, team yet again. You calling a GM a moron is a complement.


If you had followed the last two series the Leafs and Bruins, the Leafs were not steamrolled by the Bruins. Both series went 7 games. Babcock's inept coaching was a bigger reason for the defeat.
Kreider is hardly a difference maker to give up all of that.
Jan 24 at 9:54
#19
AJC13
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Quoting: palhal
If you had followed the last two series the Leafs and Bruins, the Leafs were not steamrolled by the Bruins. Both series went 7 games. Babcock's inept coaching was a bigger reason for the defeat.
Kreider is hardly a difference maker to give up all of that.



https://theleafsnation.com/2020/01/18/darren-dreger-doesnt-think-the-rangers-would-deal-alexandar-georgiev-for-kasperi-kapanen/

Darren Dreger and others are reporting that Gorton will keep Georgiev and not trade him unless the Rangers get a player like Kapanen and a high draft pick. So you're saying Kreider is not worth a 2nd round pick ? Kreider will get a 1st round pick and a prospect from a contending team, which I question Toronto being. For the poster (Vosse9) to propose a trade of Kreider and Georgiev for Kapanen and two 2nd round picks is simply not realistic. So when you comment, "Kreider is hardly a difference maker to give up all of that." All what? A 2nd round pick? If you believe Kreider is not worth a 2nd round pick than you are a completely ignorant of his talents.
Jan 24 at 10:06
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vosse9
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Quoting: AJC13
https://theleafsnation.com/2020/01/18/darren-dreger-doesnt-think-the-rangers-would-deal-alexandar-georgiev-for-kasperi-kapanen/

Darren Dreger and others are reporting that Gorton will keep Georgiev and not trade him unless the Rangers get a player like Kapanen and a high draft pick. So you're saying Kreider is not worth a 2nd round pick ? Kreider will get a 1st round pick and a prospect from a contending team, which I question Toronto being. For the poster (Vosse9) to propose a trade of Kreider and Georgiev for Kapanen and two 2nd round picks is simply not realistic. So when you comment, "Kreider is hardly a difference maker to give up all of that." All what? A 2nd round pick? If you believe Kreider is not worth a 2nd round pick than you are a completely ignorant of his talents.


I do agree that they have more potential going separately to different teams. The Rangers are looking for a winger to step in and make an impact. They’re trying to get away from the sell offs for just picks and prospects. My thought process was Kapanen produced like a mid first pick which is an upgrade over the late first they’d get from Toronto. Kreider worth the late first and second. Georgiev bumps that to the mid first I was putting Kapanen at and adds the extra second. Lot of leafs scoffing at the Kapanen/Georgiev deals so went a little modest to not get piled on haha
Jan 24 at 12:13
#21
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: AJC13
https://theleafsnation.com/2020/01/18/darren-dreger-doesnt-think-the-rangers-would-deal-alexandar-georgiev-for-kasperi-kapanen/

Darren Dreger and others are reporting that Gorton will keep Georgiev and not trade him unless the Rangers get a player like Kapanen and a high draft pick. So you're saying Kreider is not worth a 2nd round pick ? Kreider will get a 1st round pick and a prospect from a contending team, which I question Toronto being. For the poster (Vosse9) to propose a trade of Kreider and Georgiev for Kapanen and two 2nd round picks is simply not realistic. So when you comment, "Kreider is hardly a difference maker to give up all of that." All what? A 2nd round pick? If you believe Kreider is not worth a 2nd round pick than you are a completely ignorant of his talents.


I'm not ignorant of his talents, but Leafs believe they have adequate and good wingers, so Leafs aren't that interested in Kreider. Other holes to fill Now I don't think Rangers should even trade Georgiev till the summer at the earliest till they know how they are going to handle their three goalie situation. But don't be so naive to believe what Dreger or Gorton says to the press. If Rangers decide that Georgiev is the goalies to be traded, they will get a good offer from some team. It should may/may not be as much as what the Rangers want to leaks to the press, but if a FANatic wants to believe what his teams GM apparently says...so be it.
 
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