JT and DUBAS HATERS which 3 Centre team would you pick

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Created by: Leafloyalist

Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 29, 2020

Published: Jan. 30, 2020

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John Tavares was never a good skater, and lately its been showing.

5.5 more years for 11 mill.?

Also, once leafs management showed no loyalty to guys like bozak kadri etc, the young guys didnt care anymore n took as much money as they could.

then they bring up JT and they pushed up their salary cuz hes a new guy taking all this money when they were already thought to be deep at centre.

N now the horrible trade with Kadri, basically getting a much weaker 3C and 1 crappy year from Barrie.

If we just kept Bozak a great leader as 3C and Kadri at 2C i feel we would be way better off.

Last thought...if we end up giving up a "sweetner" to get rid of Codi Ceci n his 4.5 mill contract when we couldve WALKED AWAY at arbitration, that would mean we gave up connor brown to get rid of Zaitsev and then giving up someone else for ceci. that would be wasting all the development. smart teams trade guys like connor brown, johnnson for high draft picks to keep stocking the cupboard. for when the timing is right esp with a salary cap. but if we are just giving them away, our depth will dissapear

Free Agent Signings

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Dman, Depth		1	$2,500,000

Trades

TOR

Kadri, Nazem
Rosén, Calle
2020 3rd round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

Imagine signing a DECENT RD than overpaying our guys by a long mile

FLA

TOR

OTT

Ceci, Cody

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$81,500,000	$79,616,310	$0	$70,000	$1,883,690

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Matthews, Auston $11,634,000$11,634,000 C UFA - 5	Marner, Mitchell $10,893,000$10,893,000 RW UFA - 6
Johnsson, Andreas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 3	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 5
Mikheyev, Ilya $925,000$925,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Bozak, Tyler $5,000,000$5,000,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 3
Moore, Trevor $775,000$775,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Gauthier, Frédérik $675,000$675,000 C UFA - 1	Engvall, Pierre $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW NTC UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 3	Strålman, Anton $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD UFA - 1	Holl, Justin $675,000$675,000 RD UFA - 1	Hutchinson, Michael $700,000$700,000 G UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 1	Dman, Depth $2,500,000$2,500,000
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 3

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Timashov, Dmytro $694,444$694,444 ($70,000$70K) LW UFA - 1		Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Rosén, Calle $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 2		Clarkson, David $5,250,000$5,250,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1

Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:14 a.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Gibberish

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Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:15 a.m.

GenXHockey

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I disagree. But I do think there is something up with JT besides his skating.

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Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:18 a.m.

palhal

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So many of these statement made are factually incorrect. Are you mistaken or just falsifying the facts to win an argument?

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Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:22 a.m.

leaflet

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Quoting: Jamiepo

I disagree. But I do think there is something up with JT besides his skating.

Agree there is something wrong with him. He missed so many empty nets after he got back from the injury - I'm pretty sure I counted five of them. That makes quite a difference on his stats, and probably doesn't help with confidence.

Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:31 a.m.

oneX

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After Kadri got suspended for a second straight playoff series, how could any GM bring him back? When he's needed most he's suspended.

Now after being traded, Kadri has learned his lesson? I guess we'll see.

Quoting: Jamiepo

I disagree. But I do think there is something up with JT besides his skating.

Remember the world championships last year and the oblique injury he suffered in that first game?
Well these oblique injuries are very tricky and not easy to overcome.
It may have something to do with his play this season.

Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:43 a.m.

TMLSage

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This post makes no sense and you need to delete it or alternatively reverse all your trades.

Jan. 30, 2020 at 1:10 a.m.

joshelkin

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Quoting: Jamiepo

I disagree. But I do think there is something up with JT besides his skating.

You can call me a hater and/or bitter (admittedly I'm a combo of both) but this isn't new. Same song when he was with the Islanders. JT was infamous for rarely backchecking. Always late behind the play. And conversely in overtime he would overexert himself trying to be a hero and burn out. Causing odd man rushes and losing games because he wanted to take a 2:30 shift.

You never want a guy of his level just walking out the door. But there is a sliver of me that really wonders how well JT truly would fit in Trotz's system anyways

Jan. 30, 2020 at 2:31 a.m.

TMLSage

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Quoting: joshelkin

John Tavares is a great hockey player and do not think you truly appreciated his talent level when he was playing on a really poor Islander teams and very unstable franchise. Tavares did not make up the NHL UFA Rules and you have to respect a players decision to sign as a UFA where ever he wants. I am not crying that Gardiner or JVR left the Leafs of thir own free will to sign as a UFA in Carolina and Philladelpia as this was their choice. Things are working out fine for the Islanders without Tavares. The Islanders entire franchise was a mess until Lou and Trotz arrived and you can not blame Tavares for wanting to come home and play in Toronto.

Jan. 30, 2020 at 8:05 a.m.

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Quoting: Jamiepo

I disagree. But I do think there is something up with JT besides his skating.

Bad luck. He's winning puck battles and feeding Nylander fine. Just isn't scoring as much as his career year last year.

Jan. 30, 2020 at 8:12 a.m.

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Quoting: joshelkin

What a pile of BS. Hey look at me, I'm still crying because Tavares left so I am going to make up a bunch of nonsense to make myself feel better. Just get over it and enjoy what your team is doing.

Jan. 30, 2020 at 8:52 a.m.

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The rhetoric that the Leafs could have walked away from Ceci at arbitration is ridiculous. Ceci would have had to go to arbitration and the award would have had to be higher than his QO. Neither one of those things were going to happen.

But since the rest of this post is absolutely ridiculous, I suppose your statement is on character.

Jan. 30, 2020 at 9:25 a.m.

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Quoting: TMLSage

I'm not getting into this debate. Said a million times that it wasn't the fact he left the Islanders, but how he did it. And lets not pretend JVR or Gardiner are even near the same level as Tavares.

I watched him intently for as long as he was there. He's done exactly the same in Toronto so give it a rest. My initial comments about how he plays are 100% accurate

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Jan. 30, 2020 at 9:26 a.m.

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joshelkin

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

What a pile of BS. Hey look at me, I'm still crying because Tavares left so I am going to make up a bunch of nonsense to make myself feel better. Just get over it and enjoy what your team is doing.

It's a factual critique of how he played. But ok. I'm greatly enjoying

Jan. 30, 2020 at 9:33 a.m.

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Quoting: joshelkin

It's a factual critique of how he played. But ok. I'm greatly enjoying

That no one ever said before Tavares left the Islanders and now there is all this critique coming from you guys. Just hurt feelings and big adult human sized babies.

Jan. 30, 2020 at 10:10 a.m.

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GenXHockey

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

Bad luck. He's winning puck battles and feeding Nylander fine. Just isn't scoring as much as his career year last year.

Last night was a perfect example. Nylander spins in the high slot and slung it to Tavares and shook the tape loose of his stick. Tavares look stunned, took too long to shoot and then didn’t roof it. Not very Tavares like. It appears to be mental.

My personal opinion... baby. This happens a lot with new fathers.

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Jan. 30, 2020 at 10:16 a.m.

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Quoting: Jamiepo

Could be, either way I am not worried, his line is still producing a lot. He's turning Nylander into a much better players so its all good to my eyes. I could find the statement somewhere on here, but I mentioned earlier in the year that I really liked the idea of Nylander playing with Tavares mainly because Tavares plays close to the net and Nylander needs to do the same. Look what happened once he started doing it. I also don't think he's going to turn backwards, he's only going to get better still.

Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:12 p.m.

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Leafloyalist

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Quoting: TMLSage

This post makes no sense and you need to delete it or alternatively reverse all your trades.

? this isnt about the trades, these are trades that already happened....are u dense?

Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.

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Leafloyalist

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Quoting: joshelkin

You can see those tendencies now, not using his linemates and trying to do everything on his own and staying on too long like last nights goal against.

He was always known as a goal hog, kadri said it himself.

Leafs bring in a selfish player to be the captain. ofcourse the young guys will be selfish too then.

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Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:16 p.m.

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lol great nonsense topic

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Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.

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Leafloyalist

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? excuse me? leafs couldve taken him to arbitration and walked away. it was reported constantly, and the insiders were surprised they signed him.

what facts are u trying to say. that the arbitration system isnt the way it is?

Jan. 30, 2020 at 12:20 p.m.

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I just thought tavares would bring the same impact and leadership as Bergeron. If you watched the matchup between them earlier this year. Bergeron is stronger, smarter and better leader than tavares is.

plus 5 million difference.... its ok now but down the line 5 more years at 11 its gonna hurt us

Jan. 30, 2020 at 1:48 p.m.

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Quoting: Leafloyalist

Tavares has been fantastic the entire time he's been in TO. Money well spent, this whole conversation is just silly.

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