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Why is no one talking about Tyler Ennis

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He’s on pace for over 20 goals, is affordable, won’t interfere with our RFAs, seems like the type of player Sid would like, and shouldn’t cost more than a 3rd rounder.
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Feb. 4, 2020 at 4:16 p.m.
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I like Ennis. He’s a more talented version of Conor Sheary but I’m not sure if you can still win with players of this size. The Pens speed & finesse caught the slow heavy NHL by surprise but now everyone has caught up while still being big. Might be better to go after hybrid wingers with both size & outstanding speed such as Kreider.
Feb. 4, 2020 at 4:23 p.m.
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Don’t get me wrong, Ennis is a miles better player than Sheary but you know what they have in common? Both are undersized & you can’t win championships with those types of players. After the 2016 championship the league has caught up to the Pens’ speed & agility. It’s best to go after the big fast hybrid wingers like Kreider.


But we did win two Stanley cups with Sheary and we beat teams that were bigger than us on our way to those Stanley cups. I just watched the 2016 Stanley cup movie and literally every team we played the players said “they were a lot bigger than us and a lot more physical”. As long as we can roll 4 lines and play defense I don’t think the size of the forwards matters
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Feb. 4, 2020 at 4:27 p.m.
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Ennis is easily worth 3 1st round picks and the pens top 3 prospects.
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Feb. 4, 2020 at 4:28 p.m.
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I think he'll cost more than a 3rd. Probably a 2nd and maybe a later pick.
Feb. 4, 2020 at 4:32 p.m.
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He's a 3rd line winger who hasn't has much success in the production category since 2015 and has poor career scoring chance metrics over his career. He's just a below average player with a decent shot. Not really anything worth trading for. We lost a true top 6 guy, we need to get someone with a higher quality shot than Ennis.
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Feb. 4, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
I like Ennis. He’s a more talented version of Conor Sheary but I’m not sure if you can still win with players of this size. The Pens speed & finesse caught the slow heavy NHL by surprise but now everyone has caught up while still being big. Might be better to go after hybrid wingers with both size & outstanding speed such as Kreider.


Do you watch Ennis? He's small, but he's not soft by any means. He's so strong along the boards, and he's great at protecting the puck. Coupled with the speed, and he's a great Sidney Crosby winger.
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Feb. 4, 2020 at 5:01 p.m.
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5'9 and hasnt made an impact in a playoff round since he was a Sophmore .
if he wasnt constantly injured maybe teams take a chance but he's like a poor man's Martin Havlat . (got skill but you only get him if it cost nothing preferbly as a free agent .
Feb. 4, 2020 at 5:47 p.m.
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Because he's terrible.
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Feb. 4, 2020 at 6:41 p.m.
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But we did win two Stanley cups with Sheary and we beat teams that were bigger than us on our way to those Stanley cups. I just watched the 2016 Stanley cup movie and literally every team we played the players said “they were a lot bigger than us and a lot more physical”. As long as we can roll 4 lines and play defense I don’t think the size of the forwards matters


The Penguins lack of size wasn’t an issue in the 2016 cup run because their opponents were way too slow and heavy, therefore, they were able to steamroll through everyone with their speed & agility. In 2017, they had more trouble as teams were able to keep up with them & billy them with their size. The Pens didn’t play as dominantly as the year before though it was still good. They can keep trying to outskate other teams like in 2016 but it’s gonna be harder to do cuz the league’s gotten faster & the Pens’ core is getting older. So that’s why it’s most preferable to have someone big and fast
Feb. 4, 2020 at 6:41 p.m.
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He's a 3rd line winger who hasn't has much success in the production category since 2015 and has poor career scoring chance metrics over his career. He's just a below average player with a decent shot. Not really anything worth trading for. We lost a true top 6 guy, we need to get someone with a higher quality shot than Ennis.


You make him sound like he’s another Conor Sheary. He’s way better than him.
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Feb. 4, 2020 at 6:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Do you watch Ennis? He's small, but he's not soft by any means. He's so strong along the boards, and he's great at protecting the puck. Coupled with the speed, and he's a great Sidney Crosby winger.


I have watched Ennis play & I agree with you. I think he’s good on the forecheck, has lots of agility & balance plus his puck control is very good. However, even though he’s got tons of speed, he’s gonna have a tough time playing against the Caps & Bruins players because they will be able to keep up with him most of the time and bully him around. The speed of the NHL today is really difficult for small players to dominate because most of the guys are quick but also big and tough. That’s why the Pens have struggled to be nearly as dominant since their 2016 triumph.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 8:43 a.m.
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You make him sound like he’s another Conor Sheary. He’s way better than him.


No, he's not. That's a very fair comparison.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 9:44 a.m.
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You make him sound like he’s another Conor Sheary. He’s way better than him.


He is exactly a conor Sheary except not really as productive. Ennis is having a good year on a bad team where he gets playing time. Sheary has averaged at least 30 points a year for the past 3 years. The last time Ennis had 30 points before this season was 5 years ago. He also averages the 3rd most power play time of Ottawa forwards which he wouldn't do here. He's small and injury prone.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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No, he's not. That's a very fair comparison.


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He is exactly a conor Sheary except not really as productive. Ennis is having a good year on a bad team where he gets playing time. Sheary has averaged at least 30 points a year for the past 3 years. The last time Ennis had 30 points before this season was 5 years ago. He also averages the 3rd most power play time of Ottawa forwards which he wouldn't do here. He's small and injury prone.


Ennis is way more talented than Sheary. He’s got excellent hands and balance. Pretty fast as well. If he managed to stay healthy, he would’ve been a top 6 player. There is no comparison.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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Ennis is way more talented than Sheary. He’s got excellent hands and balance. Pretty fast as well. If he managed to stay healthy, he would’ve been a top 6 player. There is no comparison.


Their career goals per game are the same .22GPG. Their career assists per game are .24 for Sheary and .29 for Ennis. It is a direct comparison.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 12:30 p.m.
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Ennis is way more talented than Sheary. He’s got excellent hands and balance. Pretty fast as well. If he managed to stay healthy, he would’ve been a top 6 player. There is no comparison.


Way more talented ok I'll bite. Can he skate fast yes. Does he have balance....no. He can be knocked off the puck with a fly swatter. Just because he is a good skater and is willing to go into corners doesn't mean he has balance. He like Sheary doesn't have the size and strength to win 1 on 1 battles consistently and he does get bumped off the puck a lot if he doesn't have the room to skate. Is he productive.... not really.
from 2015-16 season on Ennis has played 251 games and had a total of 94 points for .37 ppg
Sheary 308 games 143 pts for .46 ppg.
Are injuries a factor yes but he also failed to make in impact in the lineup when healthy. For the someone who has excellent hands, speed, balance, and a shot he was relegated to the bottom of every lineup he's been on until he lands on a depth deprived Ottawa team. Now he may have the talent you say he does but he doesn't do anything with consistently enough to warrant being put on the top line of a cup contending team.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 1:11 p.m.
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Quoting: brgh4life
Their career goals per game are the same .22GPG. Their career assists per game are .24 for Sheary and .29 for Ennis. It is a direct comparison.


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Way more talented ok I'll bite. Can he skate fast yes. Does he have balance....no. He can be knocked off the puck with a fly swatter. Just because he is a good skater and is willing to go into corners doesn't mean he has balance. He like Sheary doesn't have the size and strength to win 1 on 1 battles consistently and he does get bumped off the puck a lot if he doesn't have the room to skate. Is he productive.... not really.
from 2015-16 season on Ennis has played 251 games and had a total of 94 points for .37 ppg
Sheary 308 games 143 pts for .46 ppg.
Are injuries a factor yes but he also failed to make in impact in the lineup when healthy. For the someone who has excellent hands, speed, balance, and a shot he was relegated to the bottom of every lineup he's been on until he lands on a depth deprived Ottawa team. Now he may have the talent you say he does but he doesn't do anything with consistently enough to warrant being put on the top line of a cup contending team.


I never said the Penguins should trade for Ennis, but he is definitely a far better player than Sheary. Ennis has 3 20 goal seasons and 5 seasons in which he would've hit 45+ points before falling off a cliff in 2015-16. Sheary on the other hand has only 1 20 goal 50 point season and he had the luxury of playing with Crosby. Ennis if not for signfiicant injury impacting his play would've established himself as a full-time top 6 winger. This isn't even a close comparison.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 1:18 p.m.
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I never said the Penguins should trade for Ennis, but he is definitely a far better player than Sheary. Ennis has 3 20 goal seasons and 5 seasons in which he would've hit 45+ points before falling off a cliff in 2015-16. Sheary on the other hand has only 1 20 goal 50 point season and he had the luxury of playing with Crosby. Ennis if not for signfiicant injury impacting his play would've established himself as a full-time top 6 winger. This isn't even a close comparison.


Considering Sheary's 23 goal season had 21 even strength goals while Ennis' career high even strength goal number is 15, I would say they are at least equal.
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Feb. 5, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.
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Considering Sheary's 23 goal season had 21 even strength goals while Ennis' career high even strength goal number is 15, I would say they are at least equal.


That’s your opinion, but even strength goals is not everything. If a healthy Ennis played on the Pens instead of Sheary during his 3 years here, the Pens would be even more successful.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 2:04 p.m.
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I never said the Penguins should trade for Ennis, but he is definitely a far better player than Sheary. Ennis has 3 20 goal seasons and 5 seasons in which he would've hit 45+ points before falling off a cliff in 2015-16. Sheary on the other hand has only 1 20 goal 50 point season and he had the luxury of playing with Crosby. Ennis if not for signfiicant injury impacting his play would've established himself as a full-time top 6 winger. This isn't even a close comparison.


He has three 20 goal seasons forever ago when he was a top line player. Saying he would have hit 45+ points in 5 seasons before falling off a cliff only supports the argument that he isn't overall that good or consistent. What prevented him from breaking 45+ points those years? he had the ice time, the power play time and talent on his line. You blame injury but he wasn't injured with the Wild or the Maple leafs, he just wasn't good enough to be a regular player that made an impact. Now on Ottawa where the amount of legit NHL forwards is low he can find a way to get playing time.
To say they aren't at least equal at this point in their careers you've got to be kidding yourself. To rave about a guy who last scored 20 goals 5 years ago is just plain funny.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 2:16 p.m.
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He has three 20 goal seasons forever ago when he was a top line player. Saying he would have hit 45+ points in 5 seasons before falling off a cliff only supports the argument that he isn't overall that good or consistent. What prevented him from breaking 45+ points those years? he had the ice time, the power play time and talent on his line. You blame injury but he wasn't injured with the Wild or the Maple leafs, he just wasn't good enough to be a regular player that made an impact. Now on Ottawa where the amount of legit NHL forwards is low he can find a way to get playing time.
To say they aren't at least equal at this point in their careers you've got to be kidding yourself. To rave about a guy who last scored 20 goals 5 years ago is just plain funny.


You are incorrect. Ennis suffered a major hip injury during his 2nd last season with Buffalo that didn’t allow him to recover his form for the next 3 seasons. That’s why he got put on the fourth line with limited ice time. The talent is there but he’s injury prone. Last season he missed 2 months with a broken ankle otherwise he would’ve hit 19 goals. When he was healthy, he played on a line with Cody Hogson & Drew Stafford on the 2nd line. Not exactly top players compared to what Sheary got. Just because he’s small doesn’t mean he’s at a similar level to Sheary. Sheary is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen, if not the worst. He was lucky to win 2 Stanley Cups.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
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You are incorrect. Ennis suffered a major hip injury during his 2nd last season with Buffalo that didn’t allow him to recover his form for the next 3 seasons. That’s why he got put on the fourth line with limited ice time. The talent is there but he’s injury prone. Last season he missed 2 months with a broken ankle otherwise he would’ve hit 19 goals. When he was healthy, he played on a line with Cody Hogson & Drew Stafford on the 2nd line. Not exactly top players compared to what Sheary got. Just because he’s small doesn’t mean he’s at a similar level to Sheary. Sheary is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen, if not the worst. He was lucky to win 2 Stanley Cups.


Be careful your bias is showing and you're wrong. Ennis centered a second line with Foligno and Stafford from his return in 2011-12 season till the end of the 2013 season. Hodgson centered the top line with Vanek and Pominville in 2012-13 and was the #1 center the year after. in 2015 Ennis was the top center and played with Matt Moulson.
So he wasn't good enough to beat out Cody Hodgson.......
Feb. 5, 2020 at 2:50 p.m.
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Be careful your bias is showing and you're wrong. Ennis centered a second line with Foligno and Stafford from his return in 2011-12 season till the end of the 2013 season. Hodgson centered the top line with Vanek and Pominville in 2012-13 and was the #1 center the year after. in 2015 Ennis was the top center and played with Matt Moulson.
So he wasn't good enough to beat out Cody Hodgson.......


Hodgson was a top 10 pick who had the potential to be a number 1 center early on his career so falling to him is no shame. All the linemates you've listed, none of them were anywhere good enough compared to the players Sheary played with. Considering he played on Buffalo putting up 45 points is pretty good. My point stands, Sheary is a trash hockey player. At least you can agree on that.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 3:02 p.m.
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Hodgson was a top 10 pick who had the potential to be a number 1 center early on his career so falling to him is no shame. All the linemates you've listed, none of them were anywhere good enough compared to the players Sheary played with. Considering he played on Buffalo putting up 45 points is pretty good. My point stands, Sheary is a trash hockey player. At least you can agree on that.


None of his linemates were good enough because he wasn't good enough to play with any better. Hodgson was soooo talented he was out of the NHL by age 26 with 1 40+ point season. Just face it Ennis is an underachiever plain and simple. First round draft pick who couldn't stay consistent or healthy. On a deeper team Ennis disappears. Sheary was an undrafted college free agent who pretty much beat all his expectations.
Feb. 5, 2020 at 5:17 p.m.
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None of his linemates were good enough because he wasn't good enough to play with any better. Hodgson was soooo talented he was out of the NHL by age 26 with 1 40+ point season. Just face it Ennis is an underachiever plain and simple. First round draft pick who couldn't stay consistent or healthy. On a deeper team Ennis disappears. Sheary was an undrafted college free agent who pretty much beat all his expectations.


If Ennis was on the Pens and he stayed healthy, he would've made more of an impact on the team than Sheary did in his 3 seasons.
 
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