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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 20, 2020
Published: Mar. 20, 2020
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According to Leafs analyst @sammyt_51, the team should go after Radko Gudas if they are unable to land Alex Pietrangelo. The guy is an excellent shutdown defenseman who is outstanding at suppressing shots. I’m not an analytics guy but his xGA/60 is really good. Exactly what the Leafs need.
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1$950,000
2$2,000,000
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1$900,000
4$5,000,000
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TOR
  1. Hållander, Filip
  2. Hörnqvist, Patric
  3. Riikola, Juuso [RFA Rights]
  4. 2021 1st round pick (PIT)
PIT
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2020
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22$83,000,000$82,722,450$0$182,500$277,550
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Mar. 20, 2020 at 1:03 p.m.
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IF U THINK MITCH MARNER IS SO ELITE THEN Y DO U KEEP TRADING HIM
Mar. 20, 2020 at 1:08 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
these Marner trades are getting dumber and dumber


No... this user has kept an even trend in stupidly..
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Mar. 20, 2020 at 1:09 p.m.
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IF U THINK MITCH MARNER IS SO ELITE THEN Y DO U KEEP TRADING HIM

He’s a pens fan. Just likes masquerading as a leafs fan.
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Mar. 20, 2020 at 1:23 p.m.
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Where is the stud defenseman?????
Mar. 20, 2020 at 1:39 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
I don’t think teams are willing to give up a stud defenseman for Marner.


He isn't elite or anything but at least get Marino from PIT. He's better, cheaper, and younger than Gudas.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 1:55 p.m.
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That looks like what I've been saying on here for a year or two now but sure. Take a seat mikeypensfan burner
Mar. 20, 2020 at 2:00 p.m.
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Gaudreau isn't better than Marner, at least there's no statistic that would point to that.

Overpaid he might be, but then again he's a 90+ point player. He wouldn't be getting much less.

He's also younger. I think their value's quite the same.


B-b b-but hes overpaid by 1.5 million so hes trash and has negative trade value
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Mar. 20, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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I thought you said "STUD".....but it must have been "DUD"?
Mar. 20, 2020 at 2:28 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
any team loaded with top defense would take marner in a heartbeat that man just screams play maker.


I don’t know man. I love Marner but really cant see the Preds giving up Ellis, Ducks giving Manson, Pens giving up Marino or Canes giving up Pesce for him. That’s a very steep price.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 2:30 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Gaudreau is also 4 years older, been in the league longer, and has 3 years left just wait for that next contract (10mill +). Yes Marner is overpaid, but with his skills and abilities teams will be looking at that mostly, him with any top center would just make any team better. If the islanders, columbus were both willing to give him more money than toronto for more term than the trade market for him is fine.


Quoting: BurgerBoss
Gaudreau isn't better than Marner, at least there's no statistic that would point to that.

Overpaid he might be, but then again he's a 90+ point player. He wouldn't be getting much less.

He's also younger. I think their value's quite the same.


I believe that Marner has a higher ceiling than Gaudreau, but as it stands right now, Gaudreau is better by a little & he’s on a way more team friendly contract. We have to keep in mind gaudreau put up 99 points playing with Monaghan as his center, not Tavares!
Mar. 20, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.
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Quoting: vr1995
well youre way off so


Gudas is a solid defenseman. He’s what TOR needs.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.
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Quoting: AndrewLadd
IF U THINK MITCH MARNER IS SO ELITE THEN Y DO U KEEP TRADING HIM


Well even though Mitch is my favourite player, I’m more concerned about making the team better. There’s a salary cap & sadly he doesn’t fit.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 2:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Trickster
Where is the stud defenseman?????


Gudas is really good.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 2:33 p.m.
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
He isn't elite or anything but at least get Marino from PIT. He's better, cheaper, and younger than Gudas.


I can’t see the Pens trading Marino for Marner cuz it would mess up their cap.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 2:36 p.m.
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B-b b-but hes overpaid by 1.5 million so hes trash and has negative trade value


You’re either overvaluing Marner or undervaluing other players. I never said Marner was trash & has negative value. You’ve got to realize that the package I sent for him in this ACGM is substantial. An ordinary player wouldn’t be able to fetch such a big return. I’ve seen you Leaf fans want Guentzel, Marino & 1st for Marner, but you’ve gotta realize that it’s not realistic. No team is going to give up that much, as good as Marner is.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 3:48 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Gudas is a solid defenseman. He’s what TOR needs.


not a stud by any means what so ever not even close, not 5mil good, also a hot head, get a clue, youre wrong, take the L buddy and delete the post
Mar. 20, 2020 at 4:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
I thought you said "STUD".....but it must have been "DUD"?


Ahhhhhh I get it now.
The ACGM creator made a typo.

He had to have meant dud if hes talking about Gudas. tears of joy
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Mar. 20, 2020 at 5:08 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
I believe that Marner has a higher ceiling than Gaudreau, but as it stands right now, Gaudreau is better by a little & he’s on a way more team friendly contract. We have to keep in mind gaudreau put up 99 points playing with Monaghan as his center, not Tavares!


Gaudreau's cap percentage is 9,25%, which makes it 69th expensive player in the league percentage-wise. It might look better now, but when the contract was made it wasn't as team friendly as you seem to think. Also the term was prepared to make him just leave as UFA, and he might just be leaving Flames in a couple of years. What I've gathered is that he's not exactly fan favorite there due to his subpar performance in the latest playoffs...

I think performance wise Gaudreau and Marner are fairly equal. Gaudreau's contract is better, but also shorther and riskier. And he's also older. Therefore I'd say there's a decent comparable for you

And to be fair completely fair, the difference between Monahan and Tavares was only 6 points. Not that much, really. Marner and Gaudreau got almost the same help from their respectable centers that year.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 6:42 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
You’re either overvaluing Marner or undervaluing other players. I never said Marner was trash & has negative value. You’ve got to realize that the package I sent for him in this ACGM is substantial. An ordinary player wouldn’t be able to fetch such a big return. I’ve seen you Leaf fans want Guentzel, Marino & 1st for Marner, but you’ve gotta realize that it’s not realistic. No team is going to give up that much, as good as Marner is.


You are extremely overvaluing a players handedness
Mar. 20, 2020 at 7:09 p.m.
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Gaudreau's cap percentage is 9,25%, which makes it 69th expensive player in the league percentage-wise. It might look better now, but when the contract was made it wasn't as team friendly as you seem to think. Also the term was prepared to make him just leave as UFA, and he might just be leaving Flames in a couple of years. What I've gathered is that he's not exactly fan favorite there due to his subpar performance in the latest playoffs...

I think performance wise Gaudreau and Marner are fairly equal. Gaudreau's contract is better, but also shorther and riskier. And he's also older. Therefore I'd say there's a decent comparable for you

And to be fair completely fair, the difference between Monahan and Tavares was only 6 points. Not that much, really. Marner and Gaudreau got almost the same help from their respectable centers that year.


Tavares is still a significantly better player than Monahan. He’s one of the best in the league at generating space for shots & a big reason why Marner was so successful with him. I like Marner better than Gaudreau, but Gaudreau is still the better player. He’s more proven, therefore, he should fetch a bigger return than Mitch.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 7:10 p.m.
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You are extremely overvaluing a players handedness


I don’t know what you mean.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 7:13 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Tavares is still a significantly better player than Monahan. He’s one of the best in the league at generating space for shots & a big reason why Marner was so successful with him. I like Marner better than Gaudreau, but Gaudreau is still the better player. He’s more proven, therefore, he should fetch a bigger return than Mitch.


Better player, yes, but points-wise their share was quite similar.

Regardless how Marner did last year with Tavares doesn't really matter now. They aren't even playing together this year.

This year Marner has scored 9 points more than Gaudreau with 11 games less than him. He has unquestionably been better of the two, and his value is also at the minimum the same that Gaudreau's is. Probably more.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 9:45 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Better player, yes, but points-wise their share was quite similar.

Regardless how Marner did last year with Tavares doesn't really matter now. They aren't even playing together this year.

This year Marner has scored 9 points more than Gaudreau with 11 games less than him. He has unquestionably been better of the two, and his value is also at the minimum the same that Gaudreau's is. Probably more.


I guess you have a point but I’m still hesitant to think Marner has more value than this. Lots of people will disagree.
Mar. 20, 2020 at 9:52 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
I guess you have a point but I’m still hesitant to think Marner has more value than this. Lots of people will disagree.


I'm just curious, why do you claim Marner being your favorite player if you undervalue him so much. He's TOP5 player in his position, most likely TOP30 player of them all... Usually people claim their favorites as being better than they actually are, but you're complete opposite to that. Frankly, I find it strange.

Are you really just trolling Leafs fans or do you have a different agenda, because I can't really tell what's going on with these posts.
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Mar. 20, 2020 at 10:08 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
I'm just curious, why do you claim Marner being your favorite player if you undervalue him so much. He's TOP5 player in his position, most likely TOP30 player of them all... Usually people claim their favorites as being better than they actually are, but you're complete opposite to that. Frankly, I find it strange.

Are you really just trolling Leafs fans or do you have a different agenda, because I can't really tell what's going on with these posts.


I always undervalue the guys who I like because I don’t want to appear biased.
 
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