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Created by: Marcsnack
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: May 9, 2020
Published: May 10, 2020
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Any of these goalie trades make sense? Pens might have to move a goalie and can pickup a 3C or RW in the process. According to Dan Kingerski, his value is near Grubauer. Since Capitals attached Orpik to that deal, his value dropped. Without a cap dump, Pens can get more value. Any of these close or make sense?
Trades
1.
PIT
    Casey Mittelstadt
    2020 2nd round pick (BUF)
    2020 7th round pick (DAL)

    Explanation: The Penguins take a chance with Mittelstadt at 3C. Still young and has the potential to be solid.
    BUF
      Tristan Jarry
      Nick Bjugstad
      2.
      PIT
        Dillon Dube
        2020 2nd round (CGY)

        Explanation: Although left-handed, Dube plays RW, so he can be an option for Sid's wing. I do think that Calgary sticks with their current tandem and resign Talbot. They will probably use their cap on other positions.
        CGY
          Tristan Jarry
          3.
          PIT
            ??

            Explanation: Carolina seems to want a real starter, but if I am Pittsburgh, I am hesitant to trade within division.
            CAR
              Tristan Jarry
              4.
              PIT
                Alex Nylander
                2020 2nd round pick (PIT)

                Explanation: Crawford is likely to resign, but he is getting older, they might want a starter who is younger. Jarry can be that guy if they are interested in making a deal. Penguins get a RW for Sid.
                CHI
                  Tristan Jarry
                  5.
                  PIT
                    ??

                    Explanation: According to Dan Kingerski, both teams spoke at the deadline about a goalie trade. If I am being honest, I do not see why Colorado would want to change goalies for now. Both have been solid.
                    COL
                      Tristan Jarry
                      6.
                      PIT
                        ??

                        Explanation: The team is definitely looking for their next starter, but I do not know if they would want to move picks and I do not know which current roster player would interest the Pens. I doubt Detroit makes this type of trade for now.
                        DET
                          Tristan Jarry
                          7.
                          PIT
                            ??

                            Explanation: Team might want a new starter at some point, but Koskinen had a good season. A deal seems unlikely, at least for this upcoming season.
                            EDM
                              Tristan Jarry
                              8.
                              PIT
                                Luke Kunin
                                2020 2nd round pick (MIN)

                                Explanation: If team is looking to move past Dubnyk and get a younger option, Jarry is there. Team has been progressing and looking to make a push. The forward coming back can be Kunin (RW or C) or Eriksson Ek (C). Either or would definitely satisfy the Penguins' needs.
                                MIN
                                  Tristan Jarry
                                  9.
                                  PIT
                                    Chris Tierney
                                    2020 2nd round pick (CBJ, DAL or NYI)
                                    2021 7th round pick (OTT)

                                    Explanation: Ottawa does have Nilsson and Hogberg, but might want to get their young solid goalie right away. Bjugstad would be flipped at some point to make space for another young player. Tierney seems like someone they would move and would be a great 3C for the Penguins.
                                    OTT
                                      Tristan Jarry
                                      Nick Bjugstad
                                      10.
                                      PIT
                                        Kevin Labanc
                                        2020 2nd round pick (COL)

                                        Explanation: Jones does not seem to be the same goalie and Dell is a UFA. Their recently signed Russian goalie looks good, but will need a season or a couple of seasons in the AHL to get accustomed. Jarry could be a young netminder to help them have consistent goaltending and Simon is a top 9 option.
                                        SJS
                                          Tristan Jarry
                                          Dominik Simon
                                          11.
                                          PIT
                                            Kasperi Kapanen
                                            2020 2nd round pick (TOR)

                                            Explanation: Rumours have surfaced that Toronto may look for a new goalie, and Jarry can be that young option. Pens get their solid winger in Kapanen.
                                            TOR
                                              Tristan Jarry
                                              Dominik Simon
                                              2020 6th round pick (PIT)
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                                              ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
                                              16$81,500,000$62,625,175$0$850,000$18,874,825
                                              Left WingCentreRight Wing
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                                              $5,500,000$5,500,000
                                              LW, RW
                                              M-NTC
                                              UFA - 3
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                                              $9,500,000$9,500,000
                                              C
                                              NMC
                                              UFA - 2
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                                              $5,300,000$5,300,000
                                              RW
                                              NTC
                                              UFA - 3
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                                              $4,500,000$4,500,000
                                              LW, RW
                                              UFA - 4
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                                              $8,700,000$8,700,000
                                              C
                                              NMC
                                              UFA - 5
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                                              $3,500,000$3,500,000
                                              LW, RW
                                              M-NTC
                                              UFA - 5
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                                              $1,000,000$1,000,000
                                              LW, RW
                                              UFA - 1
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                                              $2,050,000$2,050,000
                                              C, RW
                                              UFA - 1
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                                              $3,500,000$3,500,000
                                              RW, LW
                                              UFA - 2
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                                              $750,000$750,000
                                              C, LW
                                              UFA - 1
                                              Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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                                              $4,100,000$4,100,000
                                              LD
                                              M-NTC
                                              UFA - 3
                                              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
                                              $7,250,000$7,250,000
                                              RD
                                              M-NTC, NMC
                                              UFA - 2
                                              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
                                              $4,025,175$4,025,175
                                              LD
                                              UFA - 5
                                              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
                                              $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
                                              RD
                                              UFA - 1
                                              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
                                              $1,150,000$1,150,000
                                              LD
                                              UFA - 1
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                                              $700,000$700,000
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                                              UFA - 1

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                                              May 10, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.
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                                              Quoting: Marcsnack


                                              If I am Pittsburgh, I go with getting Tierney out of Ottawa. He’s really good, I’ve been hoping the Oilers target him for awhile but if you’ve got Jarry going the other way that could be something
                                              May 10, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.
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                                              Quoting: Goilersfan1215
                                              If I am Pittsburgh, I go with getting Tierney out of Ottawa. He’s really good, I’ve been hoping the Oilers target him for awhile but if you’ve got Jarry going the other way that could be something


                                              Tierney isn't that good he's an ok 3C, and I'd rather get a guy like JEE back as a 3C
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                                              May 10, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.
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                                              Quoting: Goilersfan1215
                                              If I am Pittsburgh, I go with getting Tierney out of Ottawa. He’s really good, I’ve been hoping the Oilers target him for awhile but if you’ve got Jarry going the other way that could be something


                                              Tierney isn't that good he's an ok 3C, and I'd rather get a guy like JEE back as a 3C
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                                              May 10, 2020 at 3:27 p.m.
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                                              My preference is to keep both goalies through next year. if the cap does not allow that, the pens will almost be forced to trade Murray, unless they can get rid of JJ, Bjugstad, and Hornqvist. a lot of RFAs need raises, and the cap isn't going up. I know how good Murray can be, so I am very hesitant to trade him. If we do though, It should be to the western conference if possible so we don't see or hear that much...
                                              Jarry's less proven and therefore less expensive--he should be kept.
                                              May 10, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.
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                                              Quoting: AFOX10900
                                              Tierney isn't that good he's an ok 3C, and I'd rather get a guy like JEE back as a 3C


                                              JEE is also very high on my list
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                                              May 10, 2020 at 4:19 p.m.
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                                              Not gonna quote the 2nd question because i dont want to ping 6+ people.

                                              Personally i think Pittsburgh should hold out, Murray had a rough year and Jarry was able to fill in for his down parts. At the moment the coaching staff doesnt seem to fully trust either as a full starter. Until they feel comfortable with one over the other they should keep both. Note* they should try and trade one of them before expansion next summer.
                                              May 10, 2020 at 4:30 p.m.
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                                              Quoting: AFOX10900
                                              Tierney isn't that good he's an ok 3C, and I'd rather get a guy like JEE back as a 3C


                                              Quoting: Goilersfan1215
                                              JEE is also very high on my list


                                              Clearly though, you both see a 3C option being more valuable than a RW. Appreciate it.
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                                              May 10, 2020 at 4:36 p.m.
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                                              Quoting: Pens3lieve
                                              My preference is to keep both goalies through next year. if the cap does not allow that, the pens will almost be forced to trade Murray, unless they can get rid of JJ, Bjugstad, and Hornqvist. a lot of RFAs need raises, and the cap isn't going up. I know how good Murray can be, so I am very hesitant to trade him. If we do though, It should be to the western conference if possible so we don't see or hear that much...
                                              Jarry's less proven and therefore less expensive--he should be kept.


                                              Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
                                              Not gonna quote the 2nd question because i dont want to ping 6+ people.

                                              Personally i think Pittsburgh should hold out, Murray had a rough year and Jarry was able to fill in for his down parts. At the moment the coaching staff doesnt seem to fully trust either as a full starter. Until they feel comfortable with one over the other they should keep both. Note* they should try and trade one of them before expansion next summer.


                                              I get the reasoning to keep both, but GMJR himself said that it might be inevitable to move on. Hopefully, the rest of the 2019-20 season can be played out so they get more time to watch both and make a decision, but it might be really tough to keep both. I would also like to keep both, but the possibility may not be there.
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                                              May 10, 2020 at 4:44 p.m.
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                                              I would personally rather have Jarry over Nylander. If we move a goalie we need a d man in return. I think someone like Hronek from the Wings makes the most sense. Wings also need a goalie. Murray to the wings seems like a fit for both parties. Pens also need the cap savings. Murray is going to get 6 plus from someone and it wont be Pit. Plus the cap is going down so Pit needs every little bit they can.
                                              May 10, 2020 at 4:49 p.m.
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                                              I would personally rather have Jarry over Nylander. If we move a goalie we need a d man in return. I think someone like Hronek from the Wings makes the most sense. Wings also need a goalie. Murray to the wings seems like a fit for both parties. Pens also need the cap savings. Murray is going to get 6 plus from someone and it wont be Pit. Plus the cap is going down so Pit needs every little bit they can.


                                              The problem with picking up a defenseman is that if it is a solid defenseman, odds are we would just lose him at the expansion draft, since we have Letang, Dumoulin and Pettersson. Marino is exempt would is great. On offence, we have Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Zucker, Rust, McCann and we could protect the newly acquired forward. I also did not see any news outlets confirm the cap is going down. For the most part, I see them saying it will remain at $81.5M.
                                              May 10, 2020 at 6:01 p.m.
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                                              Maybe ur right i thought i read it was going down. Hell even if it stays where it is thats fine with me. Pens are in pretty decent shape cap wise. Some other teams not so much. Tampa will be one of the teams that will be affected the most. They are going to lose 2 if not 3 guys.

                                              I forgot about the expansion draft ****. Pens will be in trouble regardless of what they do. We are going to lose 1 solid player unfortunately.
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                                              May 10, 2020 at 6:05 p.m.
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                                              Quoting: Chewk871
                                              Maybe ur right i thought i read it was going down. Hell even if it stays where it is thats fine with me. Pens are in pretty decent shape cap wise. Some other teams not so much. Tampa will be one of the teams that will be affected the most. They are going to lose 2 if not 3 guys.

                                              I forgot about the expansion draft ****. Pens will be in trouble regardless of what they do. We are going to lose 1 solid player unfortunately.


                                              Yeah I agree! And we will probably lose someone solid, but acquiring someone for just a year kind of ruins the aspect of dealing a goalie, other than for cap space. I would like to keep the piece we pick up. If they could find a dman who does not need to be protected, then that could be an option.
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                                              May 10, 2020 at 6:09 p.m.
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                                              Good points. That makes things a lot tougher when trading. I would like the help now while our window is still open. But i get at the same time we have to look to the future as well.
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