This would be acceptable return I think, could he fetch more?
100% but this i something I'd be willing to accept.



Andersen would be the guy to move if we acquired another younger NHL caliber goalie.

I wanted to it to be Woo instead of Malone but I thought I'd get significant fight back on that.

Thanks for sharing your input of Woo.

Georgiev hasn't played more than 34 NHL games, Campbell never more than 31. Not to mention how hard it is to be the goalie of the Leafs, Andersen is the perfect man for the job, he's not the guy to move.

NYR won't move Georigev because Shesterkin is expansion exempt. Lundqvist will be bought out.

Lehner was traded at the deadline, he would have fetched far more if traded prior to the start of the season.

Plus Lehner had double retention too.


I actually used that trade for a measurement for ths one.

Thanks very much.
I have also played with Andersen to Wild trade as well.

Lehner was on a 1 year deal because he couldn't find anyone willing to give him a contract with term. I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

The retention should only increase a trade value. Not decrease it. So I think you're saying Freddie wouldn't even get a 2nd?

Andersen is getting up there an age, makes sense to move on from him.
I feel the NHL is shifting to more tandem goaltending.



I am not sure signing Markstrom to 4 or 5 year deal makes sense as he is already 30. This will give e Demko one more year to establish himself at relatively low cost.

That is the exact Vancouver angle I was going for.
Thanks for seeing that.

I dont see Lundqvist being bought.

He’s their 3rd best goalie, likely to be scratched for playoffs. They probably hate to do it, but it’s a cruel business. Unless he’s willing to be traded

I agree the retention increased the value of Lehner, the retention at the start of the year would helped yield even better returns.

He has full NMC and he loves NYC.
Hes going nowhere.

Buyout then

I thought about this post of yours and do agree with what you say here but looking longer term not just at goaltending but also the cap space the team will or will not have available (Rielly's contract is up soon-ish which is a big factor here) it's going to be a choice of maybe keep Andersen or keep Rielly.

Perhaps both may need to go? It depends on the moves that get made this coming off-season. Just doing rough napkin math tells me the Leafs can't keep both without trading a big ticket and I'm not sure Dubas will do that to keep both.

@Sign_em_up000000 @Jamiepo

Thoughts?

Sorry, I haven't been on here in a while I've been swamped at work. Just did 47.5 hours last week and 9 today.

To answer your question, I like the concept and the out of the box thinking, however, IMO, I wouldn't feel comfortable with that tandem unless we beef up our dcore. I'm all for going the tandem route but I don't trust our team enough defensively to go with those two especially if Lehtonen is going to play such a prominent role. Don't get me wrong, he could be great but it's alot of uncertainty. I like the VAN deal and think it's fair and makes sense for both sides but what if we sign Markstrom or Lehner and either trade Campbell or use him as our backup? The Rangers deal seems reasonable and if Dubas thinks Georgiev can be our goalie of the future and he can get him for a reasonable price then it makes sense to take back Smith to lower his value but I think it would be a hard sell to most of Leaf Nation and if it doesn't start great or if they falter at any point leafs nation will turn on Dubas in the blink of an eye so Georgiev has to be the hill he's willing to die on. Again, that's just my opinion.

I think Rielly will have to decide if he wants to stay and be apart of this team going forward and take a reasonable deal like he did last time or if he wants to cash in because he didn't last time.

Very fair points.
My opinion is Markstrom is too old and Lehner is only tsd younger.

This is cap move as much as getting a new younger goalie.


I think our D will play good enough.

Valid points, but I was thinking Lehner because we could probably get him on a short term contract and Markstrom if we could get him at a relative cap hit to Andersen but it would require more term something like 5×5 or 6×5 again it's risky but it would allow us to move Andersen and still have strong goaltending to compete for a cup. Also, we could move Campbell and bring in Georgiev especially if we signed Lehner but my point was more instead of taking Smith's deadweight contract for a year we could invest that money into the D our move AJ and combine that money to go after another big fish FA. Again, my theory is Andersen is asking for too much and Dubas sees an option to sell to Leafs Nation.

I like and agree with getting younger in the net but as someone else mentioned it's hard to be a number one in TO and my worry is it could be too much pressure for a Georgiev and Campbell tandem... Personally, I'dbe fine with it but if it doesn't work out Dubas would most likely lose his job over it.

You're right, our D can play good enough, all I'm saying is that if Lehtonen is going to play a prominent role and we're going with a relatively inexperienced tandem it adds alot of uncertainty and alot more pressure on the rest of the team to overperform if it doesn't work out. I'm not trying to be negative just trying to look at it from Dubas' point of view and it's a tuff sell.

Is there another younger goalie you would consider?
Maybe Murray? I'm worried about his injury history.
Korpisalo? Saros?

The D would need to be improved if the Leafs are going from elite goaltending to good goaltending.

Also, moving on from Andersen means getting a younger goalie and Markstrom and Lehner do not fit that description.

People throw the buyout option around like candy. As rich as the Leafs and Rangers are, the revenues are zero. Doubt there's any buyouts in the NHL.

Too true.
Ever noticed how many ACGMs have CBOs?
Its ridiculous.

Once again, he’s their 3rd best goalie and on his last legs as an effective NHLer. It’s just plain irresponsible for the Rangers to move Georgiev unless it’s an overpay, especially because Shesterkin doesn’t require protection. They have the ability to run one of the leagues best tandems for the next 5-7 seasons.

It makes zero sense for the King to be playing goal for NYR next season. I mean he won’t even be backing up the Rangers for the play-in