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Created by: hockeygm
Initial Creation Date: Jul 23, 2020
Published: Jul 24, 2020 at 12:09
Team: 2020-21 Edmonton Oilers
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse2$1,000,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Athanasiou, Andreas2$3,000,000
Bear, Ethan3$2,000,000
Fabbri, Robby2$2,500,000
Murray, Matt5$5,000,000
Sprong, Daniel1$900,000
Svechnikov, Evgeny1$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Howard, Jimmy1$1,000,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Sprong, Daniel$900,000No Compensation
Svechnikov, Evgeny$900,000No Compensation
Trades
EDM
  1. Fabbri, Robby [RFA Rights]
DET
  1. Benning, Matthew [RFA Rights]
EDM
    DET
    1. Kassian, Zack
    Additional Details:
    Part of Fabbri Trade
    EDM
    1. Murray, Matt [RFA Rights]
    PIT
    1. Jones, Caleb
    2. Samorukov, Dmitri
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
    EDM
    1. 2020 3rd round pick (WPG)
    OTT
    1. Koskinen, Mikko
    EDM
    1. Drouin, Jonathan
    MTL
    1. Athanasiou, Andreas
    Buyouts
    • Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
    • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2020
    EDM
    EDM
    WPG
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    2021
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    PIT
    EDM
    2022
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$85,500,000$79,633,324$341,326$1,655,000$5,866,676

    Roster

    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    MTL
    Drouin, Jonathan
    $5,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 3
    EDM
    McDavid, Connor
    $12,500,000
    C
    UFA - 6
    EDM
    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    $1,000,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    EDM
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    $6,000,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    EDM
    Draisaitl, Leon
    $8,500,000
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 5
    EDM
    Yamamoto, Kailer
    $894,166
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Benson, Tyler
    $808,333
    LW
    RFA - 1
    Fabbri, Robby
    $2,500,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 2
    EDM
    Marody, Cooper
    $925,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Neal, James
    $5,750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    EDM
    Khaira, Jujhar
    $1,200,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Chiasson, Alex
    $2,150,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    EDM
    Klefbom, Oscar
    $4,167,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    EDM
    Larsson, Adam
    $4,166,666
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Murray, Matt
    $5,000,000
    G
    UFA - 4
    EDM
    Nurse, Darnell
    $5,600,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    EDM
    Bouchard, Evan
    $863,333
    RD
    RFA - 3
    Howard, Jimmy
    $1,000,000
    G
    UFA
    EDM
    Broberg, Philip
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 3
    EDM
    Bear, Ethan
    $2,000,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    EDM
    Archibald, Josh
    $1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    EDM
    Russell, Kris
    $4,000,000
    LD/RD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    EDM
    Nygård, Joakim
    $875,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    EDM
    Haas, Gaëtan
    $915,000
    C
    UFA - 1

    Special Teams

    Power Play 1
    Nugent-Hopkins, R.
    Drouin, J.
    Draisaitl, L.
    Bouchard, E.
    McDavid, C.
    Power Play 2
    Puljujärvi, J.
    Yamamoto, K.
    Fabbri, R.
    Neal, J.
    Klefbom, O.

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    Jul 24, 2020 at 12:13
    #1
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    That’s not going to get you Fabbri. We also aren’t shopping him as he can play center and our center depth is AHL level after Larkin.
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    Jul 24, 2020 at 12:15
    #2
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    Fabbri is our 2C at the moment so we won’t trade him unless we’re getting a player of similar value in return. No point for us trading quality for quantity.
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    Jul 24, 2020 at 12:30
    #3
    Zuke is the goat
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    Lol. That MTL trade is just disgusting
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    Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33
    #4
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    Fabbri and Kassian had very similar seasons but since Fabbri is about 5 years younger than Kassian, I think Detroit declines.
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    Jul 24, 2020 at 12:44
    #5
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    MTL decline not even close, Drouin is better than Athanasiou in everything
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    Jul 24, 2020 at 12:50
    #6
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    Why wouldn’t those teams match those offer sheets?
    Jul 24, 2020 at 7:31
    #7
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    Besides the comments already made that’s a hell of a package for Murray that’s coming off a down year.
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    Jul 24, 2020 at 8:01
    #8
    Ferda
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    Quoting: BStinson
    That’s not going to get you Fabbri. We also aren’t shopping him as he can play center and our center depth is AHL level after Larkin.


    Can he play center though, I'm not sure yet
    Jul 24, 2020 at 8:14
    #9
    Go Wings Go
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    Why would Detroit trade Fabbri for a position we don't need in RD? How many time need we say that we're set at RD for the foreseeable future. Fabbri is worth more then Benning so we easily decline.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 8:14
    #10
    Go Wings Go
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    Why would Detroit trade Fabbri for a position we don't need in RD? How many time need we say that we're set at RD for the foreseeable future. Fabbri is worth more then Benning so we easily decline.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 8:22
    #11
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    hockeygm
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    Quoting: redwingsfan04
    Fabbri is our 2C at the moment so we won’t trade him unless we’re getting a player of similar value in return. No point for us trading quality for quantity.


    He was traded for Jacob De La Rose...
    Jul 24, 2020 at 8:58
    #12
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    Quoting: BStinson
    That’s not going to get you Fabbri. We also aren’t shopping him as he can play center and our center depth is AHL level after Larkin.


    Quoting: redwingsfan04
    Fabbri is our 2C at the moment so we won’t trade him unless we’re getting a player of similar value in return. No point for us trading quality for quantity.


    Quoting: Jfstompers
    Can he play center though, I'm not sure yet


    Fabbri took 66 faceoffs in 52 games this year. He won just 39.4% of them.

    He's not a center.

    Also, a quick look at Fabbri's on-ice defensive metrics show him to be much worse defensively than Athanasiou, which I didn't think was possible.

    No interest in Fabbri from Edmonton's perspective, especially at that price. Benning and Kassian actually contribute positively to the team.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 9:04
    #13
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    Quoting: Jfstompers
    Can he play center though, I'm not sure yet

    Won’t know until he tries. He played center through junior so it’s worth a shot.

    Quoting: CD282
    Fabbri took 66 faceoffs in 52 games this year. He won just 39.4% of them.

    He's not a center.

    Also, a quick look at Fabbri's on-ice defensive metrics show him to be much worse defensively than Athanasiou, which I didn't think was possible.

    No interest in Fabbri from Edmonton's perspective, especially at that price. Benning and Kassian actually contribute positively to the team.

    Nothing meaningful happens from a sample size of 66 face offs. He played center his entire time in junior and worst case if he sucks we switch back to center. It’s not like Detroit is a contender.

    Quoting: hockeygm
    He was traded for Jacob De La Rose...

    So?
    Jul 24, 2020 at 9:08
    #14
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    The goalie swap is ridiculous tripe. Koskinen is coming off a year where he posted the 6th best save percentage of the 30 goalies who played in at least 35 games, while Murray was 27th.

    Yup, let's trade a whole bunch of assets for a worse goalie, give him a big contract and then give away our best goalie for a mere 3rd. D'oh!
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    Jul 24, 2020 at 9:13
    #15
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    Quoting: BStinson

    Nothing meaningful happens from a sample size of 66 face offs. He played center his entire time in junior and worst case if he sucks we switch back to center. It’s not like Detroit is a contender.

    Lots of guys played center in junior. It means nothing. And my point was more about the quantity of faceoffs - he clearly didn't play center this year, that's because he isn't one.

    You were right to say that Detroit's center depth after Larkin was AHL level, what you missed is that Fabbri wasn't good enough to displace any of those guys.

    He's not a center, he's terrible defensively and the Oilers aren't interested.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 9:24
    #16
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    Quoting: CD282
    Lots of guys played center in junior. It means nothing. And my point was more about the quantity of faceoffs - he clearly didn't play center this year, that's because he isn't one.

    You were right to say that Detroit's center depth after Larkin was AHL level, what you missed is that Fabbri wasn't good enough to displace any of those guys.

    He's not a center, he's terrible defensively and the Oilers aren't interested.

    DRW FO has publicly stated they’re going to try him at center. No one ever mentioned he was a center last year but rather we are going to try him there and he was one in junior (so he’d be a 2/3C barring no other moves). He’s also missed time from injuries and I doubt our FO wanted to rush him to center especially when Yzerman said this was a throw away season. Never said the Oilers would be interested (OP isn’t a DRW fan) but it sure as hell would cost more than Kassian and Benning. I don’t want Kassian anywhere near the DRW locker room.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 9:33
    #17
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    Quoting: BStinson
    DRW FO has publicly stated they’re going to try him at center. No one ever mentioned he was a center last year but rather we are going to try him there and he was one in junior (so he’d be a 2/3C barring no other moves). He’s also missed time from injuries and I doubt our FO wanted to rush him to center especially when Yzerman said this was a throw away season. Never said the Oilers would be interested (OP isn’t a DRW fan) but it sure as hell would cost more than Kassian and Benning. I don’t want Kassian anywhere near the DRW locker room.


    What’s wrong with kass? Oilers wouldn’t consider the deal but why wouldn’t you want him near dressing room? I’ve heard absolutely nothing but positives about his presence in Edmonton and the players also organization loves having him. Don’t really like when people say stuff like that gives a player a bad rep based on absolutely no facts
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    Jul 24, 2020 at 9:41
    #18
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    Quoting: hockeygm
    He was traded for Jacob De La Rose...


    And Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson...

    Not saying Fabbri is amazing or anything, I’m just saying that he plays a much larger role on the Red Wings than he would on the Oilers and we aren’t getting any futures back so this trade really makes no sense for us.
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    Jul 24, 2020 at 9:45
    #19
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    Quoting: CD282
    Fabbri took 66 faceoffs in 52 games this year. He won just 39.4% of them.

    He's not a center.

    Also, a quick look at Fabbri's on-ice defensive metrics show him to be much worse defensively than Athanasiou, which I didn't think was possible.

    No interest in Fabbri from Edmonton's perspective, especially at that price. Benning and Kassian actually contribute positively to the team.


    He played Center in juniors which is his natural position and Detroit’s going to give him a shot next year. Not saying it will work out but he’ll have a chance. Also, 66 face offs is a very small sample size.

    I also don’t think it would make sense for Edmonton since they just got AA who is similar to Fabbri in the sense that they both suck at defence.

    If Edmonton is happy with their guys and we’re happy with our guy than there’s no point arguing further.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 9:56
    #20
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    Quoting: Timmah007
    What’s wrong with kass? Oilers wouldn’t consider the deal but why wouldn’t you want him near dressing room? I’ve heard absolutely nothing but positives about his presence in Edmonton and the players also organization loves having him. Don’t really like when people say stuff like that gives a player a bad rep based on absolutely no facts

    I highly doubt me stating that gives him a bad rap. Last year alone off the top of my head he kicked Cernak in the chest, the hit on Tanev when he was down, and manhandling Tkachuk who wasn’t even fighting back (questionable based on history). I just want guys near my youngsters that can control their emotions a little better. I’m probably spoiled because growing up watching Detroit have guys like Yzerman, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Hank as role models on and off the ice. That’s probably why I have preference towards ‘finesse’ puck possession players.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 10:02
    #21
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    Quoting: BStinson
    I highly doubt me stating that gives him a bad rap. Last year alone off the top of my head he kicked Cernak in the chest, the hit on Tanev when he was down, and manhandling Tkachuk who wasn’t even fighting back (questionable based on history). I just want guys near my youngsters that can control their emotions a little better. I’m probably spoiled because growing up watching Detroit have guys like Yzerman, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Hank as role models on and off the ice. That’s probably why I have preference towards ‘finesse’ puck possession players.


    I can’t defend the kick that I’m pretty sure didn’t sit right with any oilers fan. Definitely deserved a bigger suspension for that will 100% agree was wrong. The Tkachuk beating was actually very well deserved and proud of him for doing so he actually showed a lot of control in that case it was after the third attempt of a cheap shot before he had enough and did something about it. Has done very good protecting himself and others on the team.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 10:13
    #22
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    Quoting: Timmah007
    I can’t defend the kick that I’m pretty sure didn’t sit right with any oilers fan. Definitely deserved a bigger suspension for that will 100% agree was wrong. The Tkachuk beating was actually very well deserved and proud of him for doing so he actually showed a lot of control in that case it was after the third attempt of a cheap shot before he had enough and did something about it. Has done very good protecting himself and others on the team.


    The Tkachuk thing was the refs fault for letting him get away with charging time and again.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 10:21
    #23
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    Quoting: Timmah007
    I can’t defend the kick that I’m pretty sure didn’t sit right with any oilers fan. Definitely deserved a bigger suspension for that will 100% agree was wrong. The Tkachuk beating was actually very well deserved and proud of him for doing so he actually showed a lot of control in that case it was after the third attempt of a cheap shot before he had enough and did something about it. Has done very good protecting himself and others on the team.

    That’s definitely the instance I think comes to most with Kassian is the Tkachuk since the media covered it like a pay per view UFC fight. I think I’d probably take Kassian back on the situation if Tkachuk actually fought him but he got rushed by Kassian after an EDM player hit him if I recall correctly. I’m also probably a little biased with throwing individuals to the ice since that’s what took Mantha out this year.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 10:29
    #24
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    Quoting: CD282
    The Tkachuk thing was the refs fault for letting him get away with charging time and again.

    Agreed. Charging and aiming high on that last one. I was personally very proud of kass for unleashing and sending that message.
    Jul 24, 2020 at 11:18
    #25
    Kafle
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    overpayment for murray
    I would rather have AA than drouin
     
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