Um what on that canes trade

Lehner likely costs more and on a longer term. Don't really understand the Canes trade.

With the flat cap and the number of goaltenders out there I don't expect him to get more than that

If Lehner will take 3-4 years, I'd do that.

You'd only be signing him for 2-3 more years than Freddy

Babrovski just signed at $10M last year after having never made it past round 2.
You sure you don't see him making more than that with a flat cap? I think he'll get minimum $7M, likely more than $8M.

That was before Covid and overpaid. Lehner is also not as good as Bobrovsky.

You will never win with goaltender at that high of a cap.

I'd argue Lehner is better than Babrovski, especially in the playoffs when it counts more.
"never win with a goaltender at that high a cap". Perfect, cause the leafs never win either

All jokes aside I agree Babrovski is overpaid but this $5.5M valuation is the polar opposite.

Try more like 5 x $6.5m for Lehner flat cap and all.

sign Lehner refused a short term deal with Chicago and why he was traded bc he is looking for 6x6m

This is fantasy land thinking he would come to toronto for that

That was signed under the impression that the cap was due to increase substantially over the next few seasons. Now it won't. Lehner won't come close to $8M per. Likely around the $6-$6.5M on a mid year range deal (3-5 years).. so the $5.5M listed is only a slight discount. & if he's more serious about winning than making more money, he might seriously consider $500K less to go to Toronto. It's not out of the possibility at all.

How the hell do you just dump $6M in LTIR.

Lehner has already said that he doesn't want to be a short term goalie, and wants to be paid for his worth.

He's getting 5 years between 6.5 and 7.5 most likely.

(Detroit, Ottawa, Colorado, Nashville, Calgary, Carolina and Edmonton all need a solid #1 goalie)

Also, why would Carolina not just sign Lehner? why do they have to go after Andersen?

This

Yeah Toronto and half the league. His rights belong to Vegas and they get first dibs, so if he goes UFA expect to pony up 8mx7.

He might get more than the $5.5M but not to the $7M-$8M. I really think you should not pay a goaltender more than $5M as its hard to build out the rest of your team. I also don;t think you should pay any player over $10M under the current cap. Teams that due always have issues getting over the hump

Ya actually, seriously! Who does Dubas think he is, Lou Lamoriello?

Vegas Disagrees, Fleury @ $7M
Washington Disagrees, Holtby @ $6.1M
Boston Disagrees, Rask @ $7M
Tampa Disagrees, Vasilevskiy @ $9.5M (sure they'll be tight next year, but likely will still be one of the best teams in the East)

Toronto failed miserably at addressing their glaring weakness, Defense, lack of systemic depth and current roster capable players, Kadri was a perfect 2nd line center, they didn't need Tavares and his Pyjamas lol

Paying a goalie when you have depth in the system is fine, because you can roll in players as they develop, now I agree, Teams that don't have systemic depth shouldn't put all their eggs in the Goalie Basket.

Exactly my point

Vegas has 0 cups
Washington the only exception here with 1 cup and he is the lowest AVV of this group
Boston 0 Cups since Rask got this contract
Vasilecskiy new deal starts next season and guess what 0 cups for them too


Lets look at who has won the cup in the last few years

2019 - STL - Binnington $650,000
2018 - WAS - Holtby $6.1M
2017 - PIT - Fleury$5,750,000/Murray $902,500
2016 - PIT - Murray $902,500
2015 - CHI - Crawford $6,000,000 (first year of this contract)
2014 - LA - Quick $5,800,000 (first year of this contract)
2013- CHI Crawford $2,666,667
2012- LA - Quick $1,800,000

AVV of this group is less than $3M

Anderson is not the issue in TO.

Toronto is not building a team based on the way the NHL calls the game.

They will have regular season success but not playoff success, The NHL puts away the whistle int he playoffs and OT. even more so in those game 7 that the Leafs always seem to lose.

pretty sure those teams were built through the draft and savvy management, as i said...

now look at the teams that have success, Boston has been in 2 finals, and they were there because Rask dragged them on his back to the Finals.

Binnington was solid, but they had a 4.5M goalie in Allen (below your $5M threshold) and a crappy coach in Yeo that couldn't get them anywhere...... so lets not act like Berube had nothing to do with that and it was all a cheap goalie who did. :/

Absolutely, Andersen is a solid goalie on a terribly managed and designed team.

I'm not questioning Andersen at all, What I'm saying is, Why would Carolina take Andersen at $5M for 1 season, when they could realistically sign Lehner to this same contract and guarantee 3 years (I anticipate more at 5 years 6.5M) of stability AND not have to get rid of a depth locker room guy in Martinook?

What I am saying is that the you don't get the value difference for what you are paying a $3M-$4M goaltender and that of a $10M goalie. You are better to get a cheaper option in net and spend that cap on the rest of your team.

Carey Price is the best goalie in the world and can win you games on his own but at $10M he is not going to bring a cup to MTL

terribly managed and designed team's don't make the playoffs year after year

Terribly managed and designed teams do lose in the playoffs 1st rd every year though.

my assumption would be this would only happen once other options have been taken off the table or Anderson is on the top of there list. in the above trade they are giving up a 3rd liner to be honest I really don;t know him or his value but does not seem like much to pay if they like Anderson