@MNBassman @TanSor

How about this deal?


- G Alexandar Georgiev
- C Ryan Strome

- LHD Jonas Brodin

Hard no

Alrighty then

The Islanders can no longer afford the cap of the Parise deal. Unfortunately is a dead deal.

Can't imagine Pateryn gets close to that value, even with a 50% retain

He’s a serviceable third-pairing RD when healthy.

He's still not worth a 3rd, even to Tampa

I like Georgiev, but I am not sure about Strome. I feel like he reaped the benefits of playing with quality wingers this year. It wasn’t too long ago when he was bouncing around. I feel like the Wild would want an established top-six center if they were trading Brodin.

Pateryn has no value right now. He just wasn't healthy last season, and then was out again in the play-in round.

The Parise/NYI deal is dead. The the flat cap really makes it unworkable for NYI, and retaining a bunch on Parise to make the cap work for them makes no sense from MN's side.

I don't see the NYR trade happening. Mostly because I think Lundqvist is done.

I think the Islander/Parise deal is dead too, but if it wasn’t, i would demand a prospect better than Bellows! I’m 52 yo and 20lbs overweight and even i am a better skater than he is...

I debated Oliver Wahlstrom, but I felt like that would be too much. And I don’t really have interest in Michael Dal Colle or Josh Ho Sang.

Few things here:

1. The long rumoured deal between the Wild and Islanders involved Parise for Ladd with other pieces involved but the Wild were retaining on Parise. That was also under old management, I believe it was Paul Fenton who talked that kinda deal. I don't think Bill Guerin makes that type of deal cause it really doesn't benefit Minnesota much. So unless a significant prospect is going to Minnesota (top 6 centre potential) I don't see that deal being revisited.

2. Greenway doesn't fit the Rangers. They were rumoured to be looking for a young NHL forward for Georgiev at the deadline (overpay in my opinion but that's moot). But they're loaded on the wings already. Panarin, Buchnevich, Kreider, Kakko, and Lafreniere make you their top 6 and mix in guys like Gauthier and likely re-signing Fast and their top 9 on the wing is full. Not to mention a guy like Lemieux is similar to Greenway and already on the roster. Trade just doesn't fit for the Rangers.

3. Tampa likely gives that bottom pair RHD spot to a guy in their system (likely Foote) because of their cap constraints. They can't afford to take on more guys with the RFA's they have coming up.

4. You're probably dreaming if you think you get a 2nd for Stalock. Allen just got a 3rd and is much better. San Jose likely looks to go younger in net anyways (maybe Georgiev themselves) so that just gets flat passed on by the Sharks

Jake Allen would have gotten way more than a third-round pick had he not been making $4.5 million. Stalock makes near league minimum in a flat cap league. He could absolutely get a 2nd.

Regarding the Rangers, that’s why I said it opens up a trade of one of their wingers to get help on defense.

Stalock doesn't get a 2nd. Just because he has a lower cap hit doesn't mean anything. Allen is much better. That trade set the market. A back up goalie (& Allen was a high end back up, could handle some starting duties) gets a 3rd. You say it was because he makes so much but why would Montreal wanna pay him $4.35M if he wasn't good? Best Stalock gets is a 3rd, likely a mid 4th and a prospect.

& the Rangers have no need to take on a worse winger in Greenway just to move one of their better ones. The only impact winger that they would consider moving that could get any kinda of valued defence for is Krieder. & even moving him Greenway would still be 4th line player. It just doesn't make sense. Shop Greenway elsewhere. They'll be suitors

That's a steep price for stalock. We'll pay a 3rd and change, but a 2nd is a bit overzealous.

Stalock is on a way better contract than Allen, so a late second is pretty fair value, maybe stalock and a 5th for COL 2nd
I say yes as a sharks fan.

Plus we have 3 solid kids In AHL were high on so younger backup is not necessary.

He’s a solid backup semi starter for super cheap fits both our needs! I say yes Yes to the col 2nd

In hindsight, I probably overvalued a little. A third makes more sense the more I think about it.

Nah you're good it's honestly not that far off, but considering that we have no 3rd or 4th round picks this year, it's gonna be tough for us to justify getting rid of that pick for a .909 goalie. I love how cheap he is, but considering that Allen has a .927 this year and only got a 3rd rounder in return, it's just a bit too steep for us.

I mean yes he's solid fringe starter at this point in his career, but considering that Allen only got a 3rd , and the fact that Stalock didn't have nearly the year Allen did, paying a 2nd seems like overkill when a 3rd rounder is easily his market value. A 3rd and change is more than enough to get this done in my opinion.

This is wrong. It was talked about this year leading up to this TDL under Guerin. It was Guerin (not Fenton) who asked/got Parise to waive his NMC.

Guerin also asked Koivu to waive his NMC and was told no.

It was first brought up under Fenton. Then when it didn't work out, Lamoriello brought it back to the table. Obviously Guerin would explore his options at the point with what he was presented with

I disagree, that contract is a game changer a 1B goalie who can start at a leauge min contract for two more years is very tempting!!!! Allen’s 4.5 would have killed any attempt to upgrade our forwards, Stalock would allow us to focus all our offseason cap space on forwards and scoring help. That 2 nd year at the leauge min is what get them the 2 Nd. And they may just buy out Dubnyk and keep Stalock which won’t be a bad option for them.

I don't remember this at all, do you have a source? I believe there were talks the offseason Fenton was hired that Parise may be unhappy with the direction of the team, but I don't remember anything about actually trade talks being performed with Fenton. As @wabit said, Guerin was the one who had a deal on the table with Lou during the trade deadline and got him to waive his NMC.