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Created by: csick

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 1, 2020

Published: Nov. 1, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Free Agent Signings

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Hoffman, Mike		2	$5,400,000

Trades

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Gibson, John

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Nylander, William

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Maybe add a 1st if that’s what it takes

TOR

2021 2nd round pick (CAR)

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Anywhere

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Andersen, Frederik

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Buried

Pierre Engvall: $175,000 ($1,250,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$81,509,042	$0	$0	-$9,042

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 5
Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000$1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Hoffman, Mike $5,400,000$5,400,000 LW UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667$821,667 LW, RW RFA - 4	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 3	Simmonds, Wayne $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 1
Vesey, Jimmy $900,000$900,000 RW, LW UFA - 1		Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1
	Thornton, Joe $700,000$700,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 4	Gibson, John $6,400,000$6,400,000 G UFA - 7
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis $874,125$874,125 LD/RD UFA - 1	Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Boyd, Travis $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Bogosian, Zach $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 1

Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:10 p.m.

DiehardRedWingsFan58

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Bob Murray said that Gibson is untouchable, Besides it would take more then just Nylander to get Gibson. And Toronto is in no position to sign Mike Hoffman.

Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:12 p.m.

csick

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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58

Bob Murray said that Gibson is untouchable, Besides it would take more then just Nylander to get Gibson. And Toronto is in no position to sign Mike Hoffman.

I’ve never seen u positively applaud a move in any AGMs

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:16 p.m.

DiehardRedWingsFan58

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Quoting: csick

I’ve never seen u positively applaud a move in any AGMs

Sorry man i'm a realist, And Nylander doesn't get it done for Gibson. You're way overvaluing Nylander and way undervaluing Gibson. Just being realistic here.

Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:17 p.m.

Leafsfan416

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Quoting: csick

I’ve never seen u positively applaud a move in any AGMs

Detroit is on the way to being the worst in the league again and still will probably lose out on the lottery again and get the 3 or 4th overall pick. I’d be constantly angry too 😂

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:18 p.m.

Stgstg55

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You spelt Matthews wrong

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:19 p.m.

DiehardRedWingsFan58

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Quoting: Leafsfan416

Detroit is on the way to being the worst in the league again and still will probably lose out on the lottery again and get the 3 or 4th overall pick. I’d be constantly angry too 😂

Who's angry? Detroit had a nice 25 year run, Won 4 cups and 2 other cup finals. nothing to be mad about things like this happen.

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:22 p.m.

csick

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Quoting: HadesOfSoCal

You spelt Matthews wrong

Nylander + Liljgren + 1st final offer

Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:24 p.m.

chungus

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----------------------------5v5 - last 82 games played------------------------------
----------Nylander - 1184:22:00 TOI | 21g 25a 46p | $6.960Mx5--------
--------------Barzal - 1313:18:00 TOI | 14g 31a 45p | RFA-------------------
-------M. Tkachuk - 1156:15:00 TOI | 18g 26a 44p | $7.000Mx3--------
-------Pettersson - 1116:22::00 TOI | 18g 25a 43p | ELC-------------------
------------------Aho - 1142:28:00 TOI | 21g 20a 41p | $8.454Mx5--------
---------------Eichel - 1352:19:00 TOI | 20g 20a 40p | $10.0000Mx8-----
----------------Laine - 1232:31:00 TOI | 15g 22a 37p | $6.750Mx2--------
----------Rantanen - 1225:54:00 TOI | 15g 19a 34p | $9.250Mx6--------
---------------------------------stop trading nylander--------------------------------

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:26 p.m.

draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas

Fake News.

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:27 p.m.

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Leafsfan416

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Quoting: csick

Nylander + Liljgren + 1st final offer

If your moving Nylander to Anaheim I’d like:
Nylander+Dermott for Manson+Dostal+Terry

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:27 p.m.

#11

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Hoffman is gonna sign with the Sens!!!

Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:27 p.m.

#12

csick

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Quoting: Leafsfan416

If your moving Nylander to Anaheim I’d like:
Nylander+Dermott for Manson+Dostal+Terry

Interesting.

Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:27 p.m.

#13

csick

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

Hoffman is gonna sign with the Sens!!!

According to who ?

Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:35 p.m.

#14

Barilko14

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As much as I'd like Gibson, I'd pass on overpaying for a goalie. Roll the dice with Andersen.

No interest in Hoffman.

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:40 p.m.

#15

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

Fake News.

dw, I've been getting complaints about the 5v5 stat, so I'm preparing a special all situations chart

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:45 p.m.

#16

Thanos_1738

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Nice job!
Although, I wouldn't trade Nylander for Gibson.
We don't really need him anyways.
Also why TF do Ducks fans value him as the next coming of Hasek?

Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:48 p.m.

#17

Thanos_1738

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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas

Big-Brain energy right there

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 6:50 p.m.

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 7:30 p.m.

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chungus

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Edited Nov. 1, 2020 at 11:21 p.m.

Quoting: Thanos_1738

Big-Brain energy right there

Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

Fake News.

------------------Last 82 games played (All situations)---------------------------
---------------Eichel - 1795:17:00 TOI | 39g 49a 88p | $10.000Mx8------------
-------M. Tkachuk - 1497:03:00 TOI | 31g 44a 75p | $7.000Mx3--------------
--------Pettersson - 1502:53:00 TOI | 29g 46a 75p | ELC------------------------
------------------Aho - 1611:30:00 TOI | 38g 34a 72p | $8.454Mx5--------------
---------Rantanen - 1624:00:00 TOI | 35g 37a 72p | $9.250Mx6--------------
----------Nylander - 1476:55:00 TOI | 33g 36a 69p | $6.960Mx5-------------
---------------Laine - 1566:36:00 TOI | 29g 39a 68p | $6.750Mx2--------------
--------------Barzal - 1609:15:00 TOI | 20g 47a 67p | RFA-------------------------
------Last 82 games played | 5v5 (85% of each game on average)------
--------------Barzal - 1362:18:00 TOI | 14g 35a 49p | RFA------------------------
----------Nylander - 1217:33:00 TOI | 23g 25a 48p | $6.960Mx5-----------
-------M. Tkachuk - 1200:42:00 TOI | 20g 28a 48p | $7.000Mx3--------------
---------------Eichel - 1392:15:00 TOI | 22g 24a 46p | $10.000Mx8------------
--------Pettersson - 1165:54:00 TOI | 19g 25a 44p | ELC------------------------
------------------Aho - 1197:33:00 TOI | 21g 21a 42p | $8.454Mx5-------------
----------------Laine - 1255:46:00 TOI | 15g 24a 39p | $6.750Mx2-------------
----------Rantanen - 1256:54:00 TOI | 15g 21a 36p | $9.250Mx6-------------
-----------------------------stop trading nylander---------------------------------------

Turns out, I made a couple errors and mixed up 5v5 and all situations before. Upon intense review of all my calculations and measuring exactly to the tee, Nylander is actually BETTER than my previous chart showed LMAO

note the ice time differences, Nylander doesn't get to pot easy PP goals 24/7 because he's the 4th best dude on the powerplay lmao, he was even on the second unit at times this year and last year

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 7:33 p.m.

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csick

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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas

-------------------Last 82 games played (All situations)------------------------------
---------------Eichel - 1795:17:00 TOI | 39g 49a 88p | $10.000Mx8------------
-------M. Tkachuk - 1497:03:00 TOI | 31g 44a 75p | $7.000Mx3--------------
--------Pettersson - 1502:53:00 TOI | 29g 46a 75p | ELC------------------------
---------------Aho - 1611:30:00 TOI | 38g 34a 72p | $8.454Mx5----------------
---------Rantanen - 1624:00:00 TOI | 35g 37a 72p | $9.250Mx6--------------
----------Nylander - 1476:55:00 TOI | 33g 36a 69p | $6.960Mx5-------------
---------------Laine - 1566:36:00 TOI | 29g 39a 68p | $6.750Mx2--------------
--------------Barzal - 1609:15:00 TOI | 20g 47a 67p | RFA------------------------
------Last 82 games played | 5v5 (85% of each game on average)----------
--------------Barzal - 1362:18:00 TOI | 14g 35a 49p | RFA------------------------
----------Nylander - 1217:33:00 TOI | 23g 25a 48p | $6.960Mx5--------------
-------M. Tkachuk - 1200:42:00 TOI | 20g 28a 48p | $7.000Mx3--------------
---------------Eichel - 1392:15:00 TOI | 22g 24a 46p | $10.000Mx8------------
--------Pettersson - 1165:54:00 TOI | 19g 25a 44p | ELC------------------------
------------------Aho - 1197:33:00 TOI | 21g 21a 42p | $8.454Mx5-------------
----------------Laine - 1255:46:00 TOI | 15g 24a 39p | $6.750Mx2-------------
---------Rantanen - 1256:54:00 TOI | 15g 21a 36p | $9.250Mx6--------------
-----------------------------stop trading nylander-----------------------------------------

Turns out, I made a couple errors and mixed up 5v5 and all situations before. Upon intense review of all my calculations and measure exactly to the tee, Nylander is actually BETTER than my previous chart showed LMAO

note the ice time differences, Nylander doesn't get to pot easy PP goals 24/7 because he's the 4th best dude on the powerplay lmao, he was even on the second unit at times this year and last year

Does it take into consideration how much linemates affect point totals?

Nov. 1, 2020 at 7:37 p.m.

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Quoting: csick

Does it take into consideration how much linemates affect point totals?

no, I cannot be bothered to do that much lol

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 7:40 p.m.

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OldNYIfan

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Quoting: Leafsfan416

If your moving Nylander to Anaheim I’d like:
Nylander+Dermott for Manson+Dostal+Terry

We say Yes in a hurry.

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Nov. 1, 2020 at 7:49 p.m.

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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58

Sorry man i'm a realist, And Nylander doesn't get it done for Gibson. You're way overvaluing Nylander and way undervaluing Gibson. Just being realistic here.

“I’m realist” Continues to display he has no clue about goalie value. You are so far off it’s funny. Think what you want to say is that Ducks aren’t trading Gibson. That is realistic.

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