FULL TOP 50 DEFENSE

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Created by: Wqrrior

Team: 2020-21 Custom Team

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 3, 2020

Published: Nov. 3, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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LW: 1-10
C: 11-20
RW: 21-30
LD: 31-40
RD: 41-50

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
54	$80,000,000	$284,540,344	$0	$9,550,000	-$204,540,344

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hedman, Victor $7,875,000$7,875,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Giordano, Mark $3,375,000$3,375,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Parayko, Colton $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD UFA - 2
Josi, Roman $9,059,000$9,059,000 LD NMC UFA - 8	Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 8	Werenski, Zachary $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 2
Jones, Seth $5,400,000$5,400,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Dahlin, Rasmus $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) LD/RD UFA - 1	Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 6
Carlson, John $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 6	Klingberg, John $4,250,000$4,250,000 RD UFA - 2	Provorov, Ivan $4,725,000$4,725,000 LD UFA - 5
Pietrangelo, Alex $8,800,000$8,800,000 RD NMC UFA - 7	Spurgeon, Jared $7,575,000$7,575,000 RD NMC UFA - 7	Ekholm, Mattias $3,750,000$3,750,000 LD/RD UFA - 2
Hamilton, Dougie $5,750,000$5,750,000 RD UFA - 1	Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	McAvoy, Charlie $4,900,000$4,900,000 RD UFA - 2
Heiskanen, Miro $894,166$894,166 ($2,500,000$2M) LD/RD UFA - 1	Hughes, Quinn $916,667$916,667 ($850,000$850K) LD UFA - 1	Letang, Kris $7,250,000$7,250,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
Theodore, Shea $5,200,000$5,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 5	Doughty, Drew $11,000,000$11,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 7	Ellis, Ryan $6,250,000$6,250,000 RD UFA - 7
Slavin, Jaccob $5,300,000$5,300,000 LD UFA - 5	Makar, Cale $880,833$880,833 ($2,500,000$2M) RD UFA - 1	Fox, Adam $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 2
Karlsson, Erik $10,000,000$10,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 7	Lindholm, Hampus $2,602,778$2,602,778 LD UFA - 2	Brodin, Jonas $4,166,667$4,166,667 LD NMC UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Krug, Torey $6,500,000$6,500,000 LD NTC UFA - 7	McDonagh, Ryan $6,750,000$6,750,000 LD NTC UFA - 6
Ekblad, Aaron $7,500,000$7,500,000 RD UFA - 5	Klefbom, Oscar $4,167,000$4,167,000 LD UFA - 3
Morrissey, Joshua $6,250,000$6,250,000 LD UFA - 8	Sanheim, Travis $3,250,000$3,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Suter, Ryan $7,538,462$7,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 5	Burns, Brent $5,280,000$5,280,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 5
Pulock, Ryan $3,750,000$3,750,000	Pionk, Neal $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD UFA - 1
Petry, Jeff $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 3	Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 7
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	Trouba, Jacob $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 6
Sergachev, Mikhail $3,600,000$3,600,000	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 4
Pesce, Brett $4,025,000$4,025,000 RD UFA - 4	Toews, Devon $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD UFA - 4

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Schmidt, Nate $5,950,000$5,950,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 5
Chychrun, Jakob $4,600,000$4,600,000 LD/RD UFA - 5
Savard, David $1,062,500$1,062,500 RD UFA - 1
Severson, Damon $4,166,666$4,166,666 RD UFA - 3

Nov. 3, 2020 at 3:09 p.m.

#26

sensibleguy

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Quoting: BarDownShooter

Where is the goalie??? and where do they get that kind of money to pay them???

With 50 defenceman on the ice, he might not need a goalie

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Nov. 3, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.

#27

Wqrrior

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Quoting: Saskleaf

And yet we still see those moronic Marner for Doughty trades.....

Thanks for telling your opinion on Rielly by the way.

Leaf players are overrated in general. I knew making this list that I'd get the most flack from Leafs fans.

A few things I wasn't going to do:
- Discount Karlsson or Doughty immediately. I want to see how they use next year. Both were not great relative to their averages - but honestly who on SJ or LA didn't have a down year. I'm not going to be rash like most fans are with throwing a guy out the window.
- Let the mob mentality impact my decisions. If I overlooked something I would fix it, but just because fans think an average player is good doesn't mean they are good

I dont see Rielly even having an argument for top 10. He's locked in the range I already described.

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Nov. 3, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.

#28

Wqrrior

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Quoting: Jexus

I think Heiskanen surpassed them both after his playoff performance.

Totally. Heiskanen is the best of the 3 now and will be in the future now. He is too talented to hold back from putting him in the top 10.

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Nov. 3, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.

#29

BarDownShooter

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Quoting: sensibleguy

With 50 defenceman on the ice, he might not need a goalie

Good point

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Nov. 3, 2020 at 3:16 p.m.

#30

bhavikp27

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Quoting: Wqrrior

I actively tried to push the two of them higher but wasn't finding it. I think Spurgeon is severely underrated and I like his place on the top 20. In general I think McAvoy is quite overrated.

For most of this list I essentially was just l ooking at 2 guys at a time and questioning who of them is better.

Spurgeon is underrated but McAvoy is overrated? First time I heard about this one

Nov. 3, 2020 at 3:25 p.m.

#31

Saskleaf

Go leafs go

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Quoting: yikes

Marner is worthy of a guy in 17-27 range kinda depends on the name, the team, the situation (money, cap, position, etc) but I dislike marner and still hold this opinion.

Doughty isn’t even top 50 imo so Yeha lol - doesn’t fit the “range”.

Rielly is very good, last year I rated him I think 5th-6th, times have changed but if we’re counting everything Rielly brings (INCLUDING a 5 m cap hit) - he’s a very strong core piece for a team needing a top pairing defender. I believe he’s captain material too and he still has room to improve

I agree with what you said about Rielly.
Doughty? He might be a bit better than you're trying to say he is but not much, yes.
Marner? Depends on what you mean by 17-27. If it's players in the league, than sure. But he's easily a top 10 right wing.

Nov. 3, 2020 at 3:29 p.m.

#32

Saskleaf

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Oh of course. I am happy that you presented an original opinion and not an opinion dictated by others. Your list, overall, was very good. Very little I had to critique overall. Well done.
Leafs player overrated? This is would disagree. Sure, so many people talk about them. But I wouldn't say overrated. Tons of people hate the leafs and think they suck. Not overrated by those people. Which, when you think about it, is probably about 80% of people.

Nov. 3, 2020 at 3:35 p.m.

#33

Wqrrior

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Internally overrated. I'm sure there are some leaf fans in this world that would demand Justin Holl be on this list somewhere.

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Nov. 3, 2020 at 3:44 p.m.

#34

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Quoting: Wqrrior

He isn't amazing. Just has the lore of being a high draft pick. In my opinion Klefbom is the best oilers defenseman, and I have him in the 40 range. Nurse would be in the 50-60 area.

I don't agree. He's #1 in the NHL in 5v5 TOI over the past 2 years and was 9th in points among defensemen, tied with Ekblad. Pretty decent for a 23-25 year old, not many guys that age can play 1st pairing minutes effectively. Top-5 in the league in zone exits with control, zone entries with control and zone entries that lead to a scoring chance.

Nov. 3, 2020 at 4:08 p.m.

#35

yikes

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Sorry I meant his trade value is that of the same of a guy on this list 17-27

Nov. 3, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.

#36

Bigboi69

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Not trying to be mean but their are so many things wrong with this list that I can’t even write it down without exceeding the character limit so I’m just gonna say this list is awful, but what the worst part about this list is Jones and doughty, both are arguably top 40 NO HIGHER

Nov. 3, 2020 at 4:18 p.m.

#37

Wqrrior

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Quoting: Bigboi69

ok?

Nov. 3, 2020 at 4:26 p.m.

#38

JayBeagleFanAccount

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im laughing so hard at how bad this is

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Nov. 3, 2020 at 4:43 p.m.

#39

Dpellz90

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Way too many things wrong with this list. Would take a few hours to point out all the mistakes.

Nov. 3, 2020 at 4:51 p.m.

#40

Wqrrior

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Quoting: JayBeagleFanAccount

im laughing so hard at how bad this is

top 50 lists are subjective and different from team to team. I didn't expect everyone to be overjoyed.

Quoting: Dpellz90

Way too many things wrong with this list. Would take a few hours to point out all the mistakes.

I'm waiting....

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Nov. 3, 2020 at 9:03 p.m.

#41

Saskleaf

Go leafs go

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Internally overrated. I'm sure there are some leaf fans in this world that would demand Justin Holl be on this list somewhere.

No there aren't but I'm sure you know that.

Nov. 3, 2020 at 9:06 p.m.

#42

Saskleaf

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Quoting: yikes

Sorry I meant his trade value is that of the same of a guy on this list 17-27

Ok.

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