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4-4-1 kerfoot engvall Holl and hutch exposed.

Seattle taking J.Holl is a pipe dream. What are you giving them to draft him? A let 1st round pick atleast. They will take Kerfoot or Dermott!!

Leafs could easily acquire an asset or even extend a player like vesey to meet requirements. I think in the end leafs will protect 4-4-1. Leafs have finally assembled a good defensive core and I don’t think they want to have it chipped away.

There is also the possibility of trade with Seattle. Won’t really know what protection looks like till the TDL and possibly later.

Engvall is exempt. You have to have 3 or more experience in the NHL. He can’t be exposed. All 1st or 2nd year players are exempt.

They can expose Joey Anderson or Boyd if either play 40 games or more. You have to play 70 games in the previous 2 seasons combined or 40 this year. Both need to play 40 this year. It would be lower than the 70 in 2 years.

??? Why would we give them a 1st to take a top 4 d making 2m? Or are you just trolling?

Engvall is not exempt. Ahl years count.

Anderson can be exposed Boyd can not. He is ufa. Unless he is extended.

AHL years count once you are 20+. Basically if you're eligible for an entry level slide, your AHL year didn't count towards expansion. However Engvall isn't a young player anymore, his 3 years in the AHL after 20 have made him eligible for the expansion draft.

They have a decision to make. My gut feeling is they do what they need to, to keep Dermott. Will depend on his play this year for sure.

Yes, you are right!!

Hyman?

Not at all!! A top 4 D on the Leafs. He’s a 3rd pairing D. Or Depth 7th-8th D on most teams. The biggest value he has is a Right-handed shot. NHL teams can never have enough Right-hand shooting Defensemen. See Ceci and J.Shultz contracts this year. But most RHD, right-handed shot D-men, you want to run the PP too!! That’s were alot of their value is.

And yes, I believe for Seattle to draft J.Holl, instead of Kerfoot or Dermott. or pretty much whoever else is exposed, it will cost a 1st(which should be a late 1st coming from Toronto) or a 2nd round pick.

Especially b/c of the options they will have at D too. They will have a lot more good, young Defensemen options, than good young forwards. And they will have their choice of back-up goalies from every team too. But I guarantee J.Holl isn’t gonna be drafted unles Toronto gives up assets for Seattle to take him.

I think he's gone. With Leafs LHD depth, Dermott becomes the expendable guy.

They'll roll with Rielly-Liljegren, Sandin-Brodie and Muzzin-Holl pairings starting in 2021-22. Lehtonen will become UFA after next year, and Dermott goes to Seattle. Or at the very least that is what I believe.

Nope since he's pending UFA. He won't need to be protected.

I'm hoping Leafs pull off something and somehow manage to keep both, but if Kerfoot goes, I think a D first C PK specialist would be high on Leafs list. Keefe liked to have a checking line on Marlies, Malholtra is on staff now.

Agree with all you've been saying in thread.

The other unknown in all this is Lehtonen. It's possible he makes losing Dermott hurt less.

I'd prefer this not be the way it goes, but it's another variable.

As much as I like Holl, I'm hoping over the next few seasons he's pushed off the matchup pair.

I still think he's an adequate 5/6 dman that is benefitting from a great partner.

The leafs gotta hope next year they can get a goalie cheap. Or atleast under 5M. And Hyman and Dermott both stay under 3M. I can see Hyman having a good year in his contract year. Players tend to feed teammates in a contract year!! And getting 3.5M-4.5M contract. I would hope for the leafs sake 3.5M/year.

And Dermott, next year has arbitration rights. The leafs might be better off having him drafted by Seattle!! B/c they under-paid him this year. If he plays well, I can see him getting 2M-3.5M in an arbitration hearing. Again, hopefully for the Leafs, they get him around 2.5M/year.

And hope F.Andersen or another FA goalie they sign, they can get for 4m-4.5M. Hopefully they get lucky with the flat cap and all the FA goalies being signed this year!!

There is only acouple options though!! With Binngington probably getting an extension and out of their price range. Same with T.Raask. What’s left is P.Rinne, P.Mrazek, F.Andersen, L.Ullmark, D.Dubnyk, J.Halak. Not much at all!!

P.Mrazek has good numbers, but Carolina Canes have a good defensive system in front of him. I would say P.Mrazek or F.Andersen are probably the best options. I doubt Bennington or T.Raask are available and both are probably getting 6M/year plus.

Toronto should’ve traded for M.Murray and had the Pens retain 1M and trade F.Anderssen after. Murray would be at 5.25M then. And Murray plays best in the play-offs!! And his value was the lowest it would ever be and ever was this summer. We had no leverage. 1st, everyone knew the Pens couldn’t keep both with the expansion draft coming up. And the flat cap that no one saw coming, meant that Murray 6.25M/ year as a 1B goalie wasn’t possible. And we needed to re-sign T.Jarry. And All the FA goalies on the market this off-season. And plus Murray was coming off a sub par season. The Pens has no leverage. The Leafs should have scooped him up. An 26 year old, All-star, Stanley cup winning goalie. That plays his best in the play-offs and can win games for you by himself. Gets SO’s. The Leafs fans would have loved him!! And I swear he’s bigger than what he is listed at. It says everywhere 6’4, 180. I can guarantee you he is atleast 6’5, 190 pounds. I would say he is 6’6 though. He’s a big guy. Good people too!! Leafs fans would have loved him!!

I'd be fine with this if another 3C is available.

Raanta.

No matter what happens with Seattle, I really don't see Dermott and Holl both on team next year, so one way or another there's $2m ish to play with there.

Hyman $4m or less, Dermott or Holl around $2m, and a goalie at $4m or less would allow Leafs enough wiggle room.

If Kerfoot is gone to Seattle, that's an extra $3.5m.

I edited my post above too!! I added to it, if u want to read a long post(lol) and my opinion on next year and the goalie situation!! And I don’t believe Raanta is better than any of the goalies I mentioned.

Raanta always puts up good numbers, and he's been on some bad teams. Durability is always his biggest issue, but hed be coming in as a platoon (which he's used to).

I'm fine with passing on Murray. Sign and trades never happen, so Leafs would be on the hook for the full amount. And Dubas has had Murray before, so if they decided not to go with that route, I'll trust their judgement.

I think Leafs are going platoon route starting in 21/22 in order to save some cap. It's pretty well the only way they can afford to keep Rielly as a UFA.

I liked Campbell In LA. Hasn’t been great in Toronto though. IMO, J.Halak or L.Ullmark would be your best option if the Leafs went with a 1A, 1B goalie situation.

I was just saying have the pens retain 1M of Murray’s contract for the remaining 3 years of his 6.25M contract. So at 5.25M/ year is alittle more reasonable in this flat-cap NHL. Without the cap going up this year, and probably not next year either.

Murray is easily the best of that group besides T.Raask, Binngington, and R.Rinne. Besides last year, Murray had definitely been a better goalie than F.Andersen. Especially in the play-offs when it counts. He stood on his head in 15-16, when he played instead of Fluery. And took over as the full-time starter in 16-17 and won another Stanley Cup. And he’s only 26. Has his best years ahead of him. Goalies usually mature later and have their best years around 28-32. Ottawa is gonna love him!! They are gonna be happy with him. And the Pens might regret getting rid of the better goalie out of the 2. And T.Jarry would have brought back a much bigger return.

Campbell put up a .915 sv with Leafs, I don't think you'll find anyone that was disappointed with that.

Andersen was considered a top 10 goalie last few years when was consistently a .918.

Like I said, sign and trades literally never happen, so I don't see that happening in a Pens/Leafs deal. So there was a 1% chance Leafs would go that route. 2-3 goalies min burst on the scene every year. I'm fine with the Leafs playing the waiting game rather than overpaying (in costs or AAV).

Especially when anything over $5m likely costs them the chance to re-sign Rielly in 22/33.