montreal passes, drouin has been our second best forward

Phillys tweo biggest problems are lack of physicality and no veteran stay at home/crease clearers on defense, none of these deals address either of those

Habs would top the Sanheim offer

Jets would also offer more to bring the Manitoba kid home.

With all due respect to Giroux, Drouin has been equivalent to the guy this year. They won't include such picks and take $3M more in salary for a miniscule upgrade.

CGY is not trading a better 27 year old winger to older 31 year old one. 2nd won't change a thing here.

FLA shouldn't break the core that's working. I wouldn't move such a haul for JVR, despite his immensely good year.

For Sanheim, I'd look to get more than this.

Overall, this is quite meh.

The Jets would probably make the deal, but I don't think Philly would. Although with Sanheim being an LD, the Jets may not have too much interest.

Youre getting younger by dealing the oldest vets, but Im not sure thats the real problem with this team. They have 4 defensemen under 26 yrs old starting with York and Zamula in the wings, and have good youth at forward, although rather smallish, getting drouin and gaudreau only makes that worse.

Overall, I dont think these deals make Philly better other than younger

Can Drouin play C? Nope! Can Giroux play C...yep! Would G be their #1 C...yep!
Gaudreau isn't better than Voracek. Voracek plays RW which is something CGY needs badly.
How is FLA breaking up the core by moving nobody on the roster?
Sanheim can probably get more but **** it, I'm over him.

The core is 100% the problem. They don't care. They have ZERO leadership! I don't care if this doesn't make us better this year, it makes us better next year. By clearing cap we can take a very hard run at Dougy Hamilton.

How's that worked out for you? You are scratching and clawing for a playoff spot in the worst division in hockey. Getting someone who can play 1C for you makes you better.

JVR contract will hurt our ability to re sign our stars
And he is having a career year and is very unlikely to keep up this production

The only star you have to resign within JVRs contract is Barkov and you will have plenty of space.

I doubt Giroux would move the Suzuki-Kotkaniemi-Danault C core anywhere. He might be able to play the position, but it doesn't mean Habs would do it...also I wouldn't even bet on the guy being that much better than Suzuki to compete for the 1C slot...certainly not long-term. Regardless, the value difference between Drouin and Giroux is not a 1st+2nd. I dunno how biased you'd have to be to think otherwise.

Gaudreau has 181 points in 184 games last three years combined. Voracek has 144 points in 173 games. Not to mention the guy is 4 years younger. Only thing going Voracek's way here is his term - but even that might be a bad thing if he starts to decline. He's 32 by the next season begins, and the risk is getting higher. For CGY the idea of trading Voracek for Gaudreau is pretty much the same as Flyers trading Voracek to SJ in exchange for Burns+2nd. Sure, they get a player of position they need, as Flyers are lacking a sizable TOP4 D-man, but I'm willing to bet you wouldn't be happy if that trade went through. Your logic earlier follows this exact route.

FLA breaks the core by adding a player to the roster. Ever heard of the phrase if it isn't broken, don't fix it? Also you have them adding a player they can't even afford without moving a roster piece, mind you. JVR doesn't have this kind of value. At best from FLA, you'd get Connolly+1st for the guy.

Why move Sanheim of all players this cheap? All things considered, he's probably the most valuable of the assets you're trying to ship elsewhere. He's young and his contract status isn't inflated in any way.

If you think any of those MTL C are even close to Giroux as they currently are, you are delusional!
If you want to use points as a guage, Voracek has a higher ppg avg this year and gets 28% of his points on the PP where as Gaudreau relies on the PP to get 50% of his points. At what strength is most of a hockey game played?
FLA doesn't break anything, they add a player that can play in the top 6 so that maybe, I don't know, Barkov doesn't have to play with Mason Marchment!

The difference between Giroux and Drouin, this year, is not such picks, and I'm a huge Giroux fan.

Again, Drouin can't play C. Giroux would be your 1C

Center is far from being Montreal's priority. No need to trade the top LW for a "center" who's 7 years older.

I guess if you don't plan on competing this year then no it may not be a move they make.

Flames easily decline because gaudreau is way better than vorachek and 4 years younger and the only reason the flames need a rw is to play with gaudreau so if they trade gaudreau they no longer neeed a rw.

Ya, you play in the worst division. You would be lucky to have a .500 record in the East.

Gaudreau isn't "way better" than Voracek by any means.

You sir are an idiot and there’s no point in me wasting my time with you.

I'd love to hear how he is better...

Still waiting...