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franky for samsonov

Initial Creation Date: May 4, 2021
Published: May 4 at 6:04
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
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just here me out its most likely that franky will not be in playoff, so what im thinking is we trade him for samsonov in the offseason so we get some young goaltending even tho we werner jojo and miska samsonov with the right team can be a franchise goalie.


say we do resign dub for one more season or someone else that detail is not important but say we have samsonov and dub play every other game as backup say we dont play grub as much and if he gets hurt bam.


please no hate just a thought if you have other ideas put them down below i would like to take about them
Trades
COL
  1. Samsonov, Ilya
Additional Details:
dont know how much he is worth dont get mad because i underpayed
WSH
  1. Francouz, Pavel
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (COL)
COL
    SEA
    1. Graves, Ryan
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Ian Cole: $800,000 (19%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    COL
    COL
    2022
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    2023
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    26$81,500,000$77,470,554$0$5,600,000$4,029,446
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    COL
    Landeskog, Gabriel
    $5,571,429
    LW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    COL
    MacKinnon, Nathan
    $6,300,000
    C, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Rantanen, Mikko
    $9,250,000
    RW
    UFA - 5
    COL
    Burakovsky, André
    $4,900,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Kadri, Nazem
    $4,500,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Saad, Brandon
    $5,000,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Nichushkin, Valeri
    $2,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
    $1,800,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Donskoi, Joonas
    $3,900,000
    RW
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Söderberg, Carl
    $1,000,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Compher, J.T.
    $3,500,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Jost, Tyson
    $874,125
    C, LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    COL
    Sherwood, Kiefer
    $750,000
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    COL
    O'Brien, Liam
    $700,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    COL
    Girard, Samuel
    $5,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 7
    COL
    Timmins, Conor
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    COL
    Grubauer, Philipp
    $3,333,333
    G
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Toews, Devon
    $4,100,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    COL
    Makar, Cale
    $880,833
    RD
    RFA - 1
    WSH
    Samsonov, Ilya
    $925,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    COL
    Nemeth, Patrik
    $1,500,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Burroughs, Kyle
    $700,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Dubnyk, Devan
    $2,166,667
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    COL
    MacDonald, Jacob
    $725,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Johansson, Jonas
    $700,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Renouf, Daniel
    $700,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    COL
    Calvert, Matt
    $2,850,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Johnson, Erik
    $6,000,000
    RD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Byram, Bowen
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 3
    COL
    O'Connor, Logan
    $725,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    Taxi Squad
    COL
    Gilbert, Dennis
    $925,000 ($0)
    LD
    RFA - 1
    COL
    Newhook, Alex
    $908,333 ($0)
    C
    RFA - 3
    COL
    Megna, Jayson
    $700,000 ($0)
    RW
    UFA - 1

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    May 4 at 6:09
    #1
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    Yeah it will cost a LOT more than that. Sammy will be a top 5 goalie in his prime. He's young and cheap.
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    May 4 at 6:11
    #2
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    Yeah hes thier goalie, they can't afford to just move him
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    May 4 at 6:12
    #3
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    It's a pretty bad underpay.

    I would think Samsonov is pretty much untouchable right now to WSH, and a 30 year old goalie that hasn't played all season due to injury + 3rd is not even in the ballpark.

    WSH would probably be asking for a top prospect if they trade Samsonov -- someone like Newhook+ honestly. Not saying COL would consider that, but I think that's how they'd value Samsonov.
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    May 4 at 6:12
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    We wouldn’t move Samsonov for Francouz. We’d move him if we were getting a young RHD or a promising forward back. We’d also do it before the expansion draft so we can protect Vanecek.
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    May 4 at 6:13
    #5
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    Quoting: villenash
    It's a pretty bad underpay.

    I would think Samsonov is pretty much untouchable right now to WSH, and a 30 year old goalie that hasn't played all season due to injury + 3rd is not even in the ballpark.

    WSH would probably be asking for a top prospect if they trade Samsonov -- someone like Newhook+ honestly. Not saying COL would consider that, but I think that's how they'd value Samsonov.


    Newhook+ is a good start I think. Samsonov would’ve been untouchable had Vanecek not shown he’s capable of starting at least 50% of games this season.
    May 4 at 6:21
    #6
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    Newhook+ is a good start I think. Samsonov would’ve been untouchable had Vanecek not shown he’s capable of starting at least 50% of games this season.

    Edit never mind changed my mind again, you aren’t getting Newhook for any goalie on the planet not named John Gibson. You vastly over estimate a goalies value.
    May 4 at 6:33
    #7
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    Asking for Newhook + is arguably a bigger overpay than this is an underpay. As for young RHD I reckon the Avs might consider Francouz plus one of Timmins/Barron/Helleson.
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    May 4 at 6:34
    #8
    Who adds what?
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    Newhook+ is a good start I think. Samsonov would’ve been untouchable had Vanecek not shown he’s capable of starting at least 50% of games this season.


    I don't know. Newhook's kinda small for a team that looks like it's going back to a heavy game type of build. He's got skills against kids, but I'm just not sold yet. Francouz, Barron, and a 2nd for Samsonov and Hagelin?
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    May 4 at 6:41
    #9
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    Quoting: Eli
    I don't know. Newhook's kinda small for a team that looks like it's going back to a heavy game type of build. He's got skills against kids, but I'm just not sold yet. Francouz, Barron, and a 2nd for Samsonov and Hagelin?


    this isn't the 90s..."small" players can play hockey...even though Newhook is a solid build at 5'11 195
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    May 4 at 6:52
    #10
    Who adds what?
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    Quoting: GoHabsGo99
    this isn't the 90s..."small" players can play hockey...even though Newhook is a solid build at 5'11 195


    Caufield is doing just great. But with one year of college, Newhook is unproven. Samsonov is still more valuable to the Caps. That's my whole point.
    May 4 at 8:29
    #11
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    Quoting: Eli
    Caufield is doing just great. But with one year of college, Newhook is unproven. Samsonov is still more valuable to the Caps. That's my whole point.

    Newhook has 2 yrs of college and has been a ppg player in the AHL before getting called up to the taxi squad. There is a reason at the start of the season he was ranked as one of the 10 best prospects in all of hockey. Kid has elite speed and hands and has produced huge offensive numbers at all levels. He is untouchable for the Avs to important because of his skill and contract.
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    May 5 at 3:40
    #12
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    Quoting: GoHabsGo99
    this isn't the 90s..."small" players can play hockey...even though Newhook is a solid build at 5'11 195


    Funny that....Burnaby Joe was......5'11 195.
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    May 5 at 12:54
    #13
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    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    Yeah it will cost a LOT more than that. Sammy will be a top 5 goalie in his prime. He's young and cheap.


    im not saying thats what he is worth but he also currently isnt working for washinton and they are trying to win a stanley so i makes sence for them to do this
    May 5 at 12:55
    #14
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    Quoting: villenash
    It's a pretty bad underpay.

    I would think Samsonov is pretty much untouchable right now to WSH, and a 30 year old goalie that hasn't played all season due to injury + 3rd is not even in the ballpark.

    WSH would probably be asking for a top prospect if they trade Samsonov -- someone like Newhook+ honestly. Not saying COL would consider that, but I think that's how they'd value Samsonov.


    not saying that is fair just an example of what we would give a pick and franky
    May 5 at 1:00
    #15
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    Quoting: TJTwolf
    Asking for Newhook + is arguably a bigger overpay than this is an underpay. As for young RHD I reckon the Avs might consider Francouz plus one of Timmins/Barron/Helleson.


    newhook is an overpay i was thiking timmins or barron like franky and barron or timmins and a 2023 2nd
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    May 5 at 1:02
    #16
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    Newhook+ is a good start I think. Samsonov would’ve been untouchable had Vanecek not shown he’s capable of starting at least 50% of games this season.


    Quoting: villenash
    It's a pretty bad underpay.

    I would think Samsonov is pretty much untouchable right now to WSH, and a 30 year old goalie that hasn't played all season due to injury + 3rd is not even in the ballpark.

    newhook is an overpay i was thinking timmins or barron like franky and barron or timmins and a 2023 2nd

    WSH would probably be asking for a top prospect if they trade Samsonov -- someone like Newhook+ honestly. Not saying COL would consider that, but I think that's how they'd value Samsonov.


    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    Yeah it will cost a LOT more than that. Sammy will be a top 5 goalie in his prime. He's young and cheap.


    newhook is an overpay i was thiking timmins or barron like franky and barron or timmins and a 2023 2nd
    May 5 at 2:15
    #17
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    Quoting: Ilya_Bryzgarlov_for_Vezina
    im not saying thats what he is worth but he also currently isnt working for washinton and they are trying to win a stanley so i makes sence for them to do this


    He's working fine. He's a young kid that's had some hiccups.
     
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