Yikes 9M for Jones

I'm glad to see the sign part mentioned for a return like that but holy hannah montana 9M$ is a lot of smackeeroos idk why I'm so giddy right now

i think winnipeg would have to add either another first or vesalainen to that trade. Jones was a norris caliber dmen previous to this season. Look at the haul ottawa got for karlsson im assuimg columbus would want something closer to that. Their is even talks that if Leafs go out first round that a marner for jones deal could be on the table so winnipeg would have to match marners value. Because of that aswell a massive bidding war could start because of those two top canadian teams fighting for jones. I definitely see jones bringing in a very large haul back from whoever aquires him

pls no just get him in free ancency

The fact that you have compared Jones previous couple of seasons to EK in his prime is a joke. He hasn’t even sniffed what karlsson has done. Did he carry his below average team to game 7 double overtime in the Eastern conference finals? I don’t think so.

Anyways, I think the value is fair. As much as I hate to say it, Heinola or Perfetti would have to be going back. So this looks about right to me.

As for this supposed marner for Jones deal, I have no idea where you heard that, and why you’d believe it. Even the idea of that leaking legitimately would cause major major issues with the organization and Marner. With an agent like Kurt Overhardt, you’re not going to just let that go. So there’s no way you can claim this unless you have a reliable source. The trade here looks about right for value. There will be a bidding war, if he is moving, that likely will drive it up a bit. But not to the extreme you’re making out.

Anyways as for the OP, Jets should just wait for FA.

Well karlsson and Jones play a completely different game Jones USA shutdown dman with a decent scoring touch and karlsson was a completely offensive dman. If the Norris trophy vote took into account all round game karlsson would have never won it he was not the strongest defensively, but most the time it seems recently the Norris goes to the highest scoring dman unless it’s a close one between a few players then they take into account all around game. Karlsson also had a very good team surrounding him Mark stone, Mike Hoffman, Pageau, zibenajad, Bobby Ryan and as for carrying that’s a stretch because Anderson stood on his head a for quite a few of those games

Not to mention Columbus probably would have made it to the conference finals if it wasn’t for running into the bruins and the 3 headed monster of pasta Marchand and Bergeron at the top of their game. Ottawa beat Marchand before he became the star he is today and bruins didn’t have mcavoy or pasta at his best yet

Agreed id also use troubas contract as top dollor, for hamilton jones mabye less 4 paryako ive yet to see a big contract look good team wise

Very unlikely that Jones signs a 7 year deal just to be traded somewhere he doesn't have control over. He'd be more likely to just bide his time and head to FA.

TB laughs hysterically and counters poink half retained and a 1 for Killorn equally ridiculous an offer

There’s… so much wrong with this. Jones nowadays is better on offense than defence. (To put his defence into perspective, you’re correct that he only gives you a decent touch). Second of all Karlsson was a perennial two-way Norris defenceman with Ottawa and not to mention was absolutely robbed of a Norris in 2017 by an actual offensive defenceman in Brent Burns. Furthermore, Karlsson never had a superstar team around him. Hoffman and Ryan were typical second line wingers, whereas Pageau and Zibanejad didn’t break out yet with Karlsson on their team. Stone (obviously) was the only other legitimate stud in Ottawa. I’m not positive which stretch of games you’re referring to with Anderson, but I can tell you it was Karlsson all series long and Pageau in game 2 who ended our championship run.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. You can’t even compare the two.

Hell I’d even rather have Neal Pionk 😂

And yet the Karlsson return was limited because by Melynk decree half the league was ineligible (he would not allow a trade to any Eastern team), and that was before the 10-team NTC and pending UFA factors came into play. So it's a closer comparable than you might realize.

Everyone knows Ottawa received a weak return. I’m making a comparison using the true value of each assets.

Considering that the league still thinks Jones is an $8M defenceman, I’d imagine he goes for a 1st and a Dylan Samberg-type asset if there’s no guaranteed extension. (As a NYR fan, this has me thinking along the lines of a 1st and Filip Chytil for Tomas Hertl)

Only if that's a high 1st in 2022. At least one blue-chipper is likely to be mandatory.

The strength of the 1st never matters in these rental trades lol. And is Samberg not a blue chipper?

Admittedly, he may be doing better than I've heard. The idea behind the 1st being a high one has to do with the fact that if we don't get a blue-chip prospect, we'd better at least be getting a pick that gives us a very strong chance of getting one. That kind of mandates 2022, and high.

i just think you are under valuing Jones's worth to a team for almost 75% of the league he is their best defenceman and the guy they can build around. If these trade talks were 2 years ago he would be worth an arm and a leg but because he had one bad season not just his fault werenski got hurt and that whole columbus management was arguably the leagues worst ( ill give them a postive on the returns they got for savard and foligno). When columbus was doing well and werenski and jones are playing at their best you can argue they were one of the top D pairings in the league and i wouldnt say any one of those two carried the line, but i just can't see how one bad year would ruin his value so much, he is still young and can go back to his norris form. 3 years ago he was 4th in voting and hes recieved votes in 4 consecutive years leading up to this year which means he has been atleast a top 20 dman and when i look at the history of the norris race throughout those last 4 years only josi, hedman, slavin, hamilton, chara and Jones have recieved votes in all those years if that doesnt show consistency then idk what does

Too much for Seth Jones, and paying seattle to take one of the two best dmen the jets have, while locked up and affordable?

WTF

I'm still in awe an hour later how bad this is.

Paying a premium in assets to then OVER PAY a premium to sign Seth Jones is the epitemy of horrible management
PAYING SEA to take a top 2 D from winnipeg, whose signed affordably moving forward for some reason
Then the icing on the terrible cake here is.. Travis Hamonic for $2M?!

if you want a #1 RHD, Dougie Hamilton is a UFA, AND much much better than Seth Jones. This is seriously Lunacy