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Aug. 24, 2021 at 8:27 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarner_16
I rank my top five

1. McDavid
2. MacKinnon
3. Matthews
4. Draisaitl
5. Crosby/Point (probably point)


I agree with this list
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 8:40 p.m.
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Everyone ranking their top 5 centres so I’ll do mine

1. Comeau
2. Comeau
3. Comeau
4. Comeau
5. Comeau

HM: Comeau
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 8:40 p.m.
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Working on the first part of a review of the 2010 drafts. Look out for it in the NHL forum


Lost my Morale to do this after losing like 15 minutes of work. If someone wants to do something similar go ahead but I'm upset I lost my hard work
Aug. 24, 2021 at 8:48 p.m.
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Who would you guys think are fits for Dallas’s need for a top 9 scoring winger?

Qualifications: 1-2 years of term, contract no higher than 4 million with retention, someone who can score goals, having 45-55 point per 82 games, someone who shows up during the playoffs.
Aug. 24, 2021 at 8:50 p.m.
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Who would you guys think are fits for Dallas’s need for a top 9 scoring winger?

Qualifications: 1-2 years of term, contract no higher than 4 million with retention, someone who can score goals.


Andreas Johnsson (I wish)

Phil Kessel would be the best option available
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 8:52 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
Everyone ranking their top 5 centres so I’ll do mine

1. Comeau
2. Comeau
3. Comeau
4. Comeau
5. Comeau

HM: Comeau


Blake Comeau
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 8:52 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
Everyone ranking their top 5 centres so I’ll do mine

1. Comeau
2. Comeau
3. Comeau
4. Comeau
5. Comeau

HM: Comeau


Bruh Blake comeau is living RENT FREE inside ur head

Rent freeeeeeeeee
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 8:53 p.m.
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Who would you guys think are fits for Dallas’s need for a top 9 scoring winger?

Qualifications: 1-2 years of term, contract no higher than 4 million with retention, someone who can score goals, having 45-55 point per 82 games, someone who shows up during the playoffs.


Dvorak just barely misses those criteria. I find he’s overrated but I guess he could work on the third line
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 8:54 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarner_16
Bruh Blake comeau is living RENT FREE inside ur head

Rent freeeeeeeeee


Something else will be living in his head rent free…

You’re open to interpretation.

Hint it look like this:

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Aug. 24, 2021 at 9:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
Lmao 13 year olds shouldn’t be on this site. He probably turned 13 yesterday so he made an account. He he’s just a homer and extremely biased. Probably doesn’t know anything about the NHL anyway so ignore him.


I mean all new cap friendly accounts need time to adjust to the community I’d say, but yes the younger you are the more likely you’ll have “homer” takes
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 9:04 p.m.
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To some of the other talks, analytics shouldn’t not be used by themselves for an argument, and my top 5 centers list would be:

Danault
Suzuki
Kk
Evans
Galchenyuk
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 9:07 p.m.
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Until we see a massive drop he still is in the top 3 conversation. Good at both ends, strong puck handler and can be relied upon in almost all situations. Only guy who is for sure better is Mcdavid and maybe on some lists Mackinnon.

As for the top 10 if we go 6-10

Draisaitl
Barkov
Eichel (before the injury as lets be real next season once healthy he will be back to dominating the score sheet)
Bergeron
Petterson

There’s no shot Pettersson is a top 10 centre, he hasn’t even put up a point per game season yet. He’ll probably get there in the next couple years but he’s not better today than Aho, Barzal, Scheifele, RoR, etc.
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 9:15 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
To some of the other talks, analytics shouldn’t not be used by themselves for an argument, and my top 5 centers list would be:

Danault
Suzuki
Kk
Evans
Galchenyuk


These guys are all related by I can’t put my finger on it 🤔
Aug. 24, 2021 at 9:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
These guys are all related by I can’t put my finger on it 🤔


My actual rankings
McDavid
Mack
Drai
Crosby
Matthews/Point
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 9:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
There’s no shot Pettersson is a top 10 centre, he hasn’t even put up a point per game season yet. He’ll probably get there in the next couple years but he’s not better today than Aho, Barzal, Scheifele, RoR, etc.

He’s pretty darn close to PPG but that doesn’t even mean everything. He has some of the best advanced stats in the league and plays a 200 foot game. Yes I am a bit biased but he’s definitely top 10 in my eyes. His skill and hockey IQ really drives his game. He had a down year and it doesn’t help that he got hurt.
I’m also pretty sure he’s had the best projected WAR in the past few seasons better than McDavid and MacKinnon and literally everyone else in the league. Obviously that doesn’t make him the best in the league but it goes to show how valuable he is and how much he changes the game when he’s on the ice. and has very good pts/60 minutes. I think he is a top 10 center but hey, that’s just my opinion and there’s no definitive answer
Aug. 24, 2021 at 9:55 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
If you asked me who were the top 5 centers in the league here’s how I rank them:

1. McDavid
2. Mackinnion
3. Draisital (however you spell his name)
4. Matthews
5. Point (it’s really up for grabs I don’t care who you think it is as long as it makes sense)


This is decent, except how is Point top 5? I just don’t see it. Here’s Mine:

McDavid
Crosby
MacKinnon
Barkov
Draisaitl
Aug. 24, 2021 at 10:05 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarner_16
I rank my top five

1. McDavid
2. MacKinnon
3. Matthews
4. Draisaitl
5. Crosby/Point (probably point)


Not bad! I would argue Draisaitl is better than Matthews, and Barkov needs to be here, but I don’t feel like it. Also, everyone has their own opinions! I’m just happy you didn’t say he’s better than McDavid like some leaf fans have said…
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 10:09 p.m.
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Not bad! I would argue Draisaitl is better than Matthews, and Barkov needs to be here, but I don’t feel like it. Also, everyone has their own opinions! I’m just happy you didn’t say he’s better than McDavid like some leaf fans have said…


Yeah I’m not that dumb. He’s top three but not top two
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 10:12 p.m.
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Yeah I’m not that dumb. He’s top three but not top two



Fair enough… for me, he’s 6. Draisaitl, and Matthews are pretty close in my opinion. It could go either way. And yah, McDavid, and MacKinnon are way ahead of the others.
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 10:46 p.m.
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This is decent, except how is Point top 5? I just don’t see it. Here’s Mine:

McDavid
Crosby
MacKinnon
Barkov
Draisaitl


Point's tied Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux at 3rd all time in players scoring 14+ goals in multiple playoff years (with 2 years). He's top 5 imo

Also he had the 2nd longest goal scoring streak all time in the playoffs, one behind Reggie Leach
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 10:57 p.m.
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Quoting: GarthBrooks
Point's tied Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux at 3rd all time in players scoring 14+ goals in multiple playoff years (with 2 years). He's top 5 imo

Also he had the 2nd longest goal scoring streak all time in the playoffs, one behind Reggie Leach


Streaks don’t mean everything but I agree, point should be top 5. I have him at 5th
Aug. 24, 2021 at 11:47 p.m.
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Who would you guys think are fits for Dallas’s need for a top 9 scoring winger?

Qualifications: 1-2 years of term, contract no higher than 4 million with retention, someone who can score goals, having 45-55 point per 82 games, someone who shows up during the playoffs.


Debrusk
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 11:52 p.m.
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He’s pretty darn close to PPG but that doesn’t even mean everything. He has some of the best advanced stats in the league and plays a 200 foot game. Yes I am a bit biased but he’s definitely top 10 in my eyes. His skill and hockey IQ really drives his game. He had a down year and it doesn’t help that he got hurt.
I’m also pretty sure he’s had the best projected WAR in the past few seasons better than McDavid and MacKinnon and literally everyone else in the league. Obviously that doesn’t make him the best in the league but it goes to show how valuable he is and how much he changes the game when he’s on the ice. and has very good pts/60 minutes. I think he is a top 10 center but hey, that’s just my opinion and there’s no definitive answer

I think his high hockey IQ and skill will eventually lead to increased real production and that will carry him into top 10 within 1-2 years, but until that comes to fruition I just don’t think he can be ahead of a guy like RoR (better defensively, similar offensively) as that is Petey’s X-factor. I’m also not sure if we can really take into account his defensive contributions when the Canucks are one of the worst teams in terms of possession, high danger chances, and shot quantity, and he doesn’t play PK, so that doesn’t push him past an outstanding offensive contributor like Scheifele (yet). I do think he’ll probably wind up top 7 in 3-5 years (McDavid/MacKinnon/Matthews/Wright/Bedard is tough to crack but there’s a good case for him being the best of the rest in a few years). Also as a sidenote isn’t WAR the thing that’s been bugging recently (Verhaeghe best projected player in the league, McCann 2nd to McDavid last year) or was that a diff stat lol. Regardless, if it has him better than McDavid and MacKinnon it should probably be taken with a grain of salt.
Aug. 24, 2021 at 11:54 p.m.
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I think his high hockey IQ and skill will eventually lead to increased real production and that will carry him into top 10 within 1-2 years, but until that comes to fruition I just don’t think he can be ahead of a guy like RoR (better defensively, similar offensively) as that is Petey’s X-factor. I’m also not sure if we can really take into account his defensive contributions when the Canucks are one of the worst teams in terms of possession, high danger chances, and shot quantity, and he doesn’t play PK, so that doesn’t push him past an outstanding offensive contributor like Scheifele (yet). I do think he’ll probably wind up top 7 in 3-5 years (McDavid/MacKinnon/Matthews/Wright/Bedard is tough to crack but there’s a good case for him being the best of the rest in a few years). Also as a sidenote isn’t WAR the thing that’s been bugging recently (Verhaeghe best projected player in the league, McCann 2nd to McDavid last year) or was that a diff stat lol. Regardless, if it has him better than McDavid and MacKinnon it should probably be taken with a grain of salt.


I think You’re referring to GAR. I remember seeing McCann ranked 2nd behind Mcdavid
Aug. 25, 2021 at 12:46 a.m.
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I think You’re referring to GAR. I remember seeing McCann ranked 2nd behind Mcdavid


Petey is high on both. Not a stat to solely base opinions on but it just goes to show his effectiveness
 
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