Kuzy is good but is 29 and is payed almost 8m until he’s like 33 and his problem of ice could decrease his value. Also he’s playing with guys like Ovi Carlson Backstrom etc.. I really like Kuzy and I would be glad if habs trade for him but I don’t think a trade involving kuznetsov would get back the actual value of a #1 70 pts center. Of im the habs im proposing Drouin (cap hit + still can be a good winger if not in montreal), a prospect like Harris or Struble and a 2cnd or Drouin + Fleury/brook + 1rst

Off-the-ice events impact a players value as well

in terms of WAR% from the past 3 years forsberg has been better. points aren't everything but i do get what you're saying. if they trade kuzy the value has to be acceptable considering he is a good player sans his off ice stuff but off ice issues can turn teams away fast as heck

DogDayCaps2 on the eight ball on this one

Unless that dollar has been used to snort cocaine.

Hm no mention of the players they play with?

In that time:

Kuzy 5v5 Ovechkin Vrana Wilson

Kuzy PP one of the best PP units if All Time

FF 5v5 almost entirely Rjo and arvy

FF PP a pretty good PP unit

Pretty huge difference

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Hey now *sniff* those are baseless accusations and you are *sniffff* way out of line and I just have a really bad nasal cold there's no need to be suspicious

if I'm Washington im asking for KK+ 1st

i mean some dude just trade Kuzy + V V + Lappy and a 3rd for 1 year of Hertl lol

im on coke bc i don't want people to trade Kuzy for pennies on the dollar? lol solid point.... man what was i thinking

sounds like you might be on coke.

Ever heard the expression 'on the ball'?

Last year FF actually had more primary points than Kuznetsov so it's odd to see a big WORSE there lol this AGM seems a little frivolous tbh

So Kuzy is just a journey man that has added little to nothing and basically leeches off Ovi and crew to hit this points? sounds fair. Ovechkin isnt a possession player he mainly gets open and fed. Vrana was a non factor and ghosted for months at a time and Wilson points drastically incresed playing with Kuzy? my point is that he's been a great player and should have a great value... not a 2nd round pick + drouin

lol guy you made a terrible joke... just leave it die and walk away... beating a dead horse

okay thats pretty bad lol

do primary points count more than secondary points? your point seems more frivolous lol. look at overall points seems like the more intelligent way to look at it since each one counts as one...yikes

thats my point....even people in this thread are dumb and think im saying Kuzy is better than FF....im strictly showing you that as far as point production goes hes been better....there are other factors like xgf% and overall ability to play defense. im saying hes not some loser like Duchene or insert highly overpaid center that suck..... hes a great talent

PLD literally stopped trying at hockey and got fully value idk how much people look at that... more potential

That's not terrible

VV kinda meh value especially given Seattle

Easy to argue Kuzy is kinda neutral value on that big contract given age and term, pretty precarious also a lot of players abruptly decline around age 30

Lucic, Neal, Okposo, Eriksson, etc.

He doesn't drive play either

Hertl does wonderfully

Lappy a good not great prospect

If SJ retained on Hertl especially it'd be reasonable

Idk it's not the worst

JFC

"Easy to argue Kuzy is kinda neutral value on that big contract given age and term, pretty precarious also a lot of players abruptly decline around age 30"
then you say....
"Lucic, Neal, Okposo, Eriksson, etc."

lol oh man...there is no natural ground that i can logically agree with you.... maybeif Kuzy didnt finish the year with like16p in20 games or if the year before he wasnt on a 68 point pace.... they guy went from Trotz to ,.....TR to Lav in a 4 year period.

FF is rapidly declining also maybe Nash should move him before he turns into Lucic lol

you normally have intelligent takes but woof this thread is killing you credibility


Lapierre reg season
21gp 8g 23a 31p

playoffs
9gp 5g 7a 12p

Caps fan here agreeing with everyone's take on a Kuzy trade return. If they decide that moving someone from the core is the way, I think Kuzy is the first to go. But after the coke video and suspension, the decline in play after the amazing 2018 cup run, the subpar defensive play, the "trying to be the best player in the world takes too much work and I don't want to go there" interview, the inability or lack of professionalism following safety protocols and the 1 game team discipline suspension, I think the team will have to settle for a underwhelming return if they trade him or will have to significantly add to get a top 6 guy in return.

I'm the guy who traded Kuzy+Vanecek+Lapierre and 2022 3rd for an extended Hertl not 1 year of Hertl. Caps can use Schultz expiring deal after 21-22 season to extend him.

About MTL interest what's your opinion on Kuzy for Poehling or Brook+a 2021 1st (it's going to be a really late one)+2022 2nd+Danault signing rights at the entry draft. Have no idea about MTL plans regarding Danault

Thanks Radu47, as you can see in the post above, I'm the guy who made said trade, I know it's an overpay but it's nowhere near terrible. I think the caps will have to overpay and attach value to Kuzy to get a top 6 guy in return or will have to settle for futures if they decide to move him. Because of that, I think he stays in the end.

My reasoning behind the trade is here https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/462471 if interested

When someone describes something as not terrible… it’s generally a good rule of thumb that the deal isnt good. Hertl is a solid player but giving up way too much.

Let’s break down the deal

VV is worth a 2nd?
Lappy is a 1st round pick that has increased his value with a great season and an amazing playoffs.
3rd
You above asked if a Habs fan would do Kuzy for Brook+a 2021 1st (it's going to be a really late one)+2022 2nd+Danault signing rights

So you are paying a
Kuzy ( worth a 1st + 2nd and prospect)
Lappy ( 1st rounder +)
V V ( 2nd maybe more)
3rd

For Hertl who you then need to turn around and sign.

It sounds easy but it's not... Tell him to show up on time, all the time, the parade is over and he has jelly doughnut powder on his nose. Price drops when a disgruntled massive cap is forcing himself off of the team.

Yes I would overpay to get an extended Hertl for Kuzy. The caps can ask permission to talk to his agent and hammer out an extension before processing the trade. They have Schultz's expiring deal to increase his cap hit. If SJ refuses, don't go through with it.

VV is worth a 2nd at best. More like a 3rd. His performance this season in relation to the team's play in front of him was below average. His GSAE was -7.

No way in hell is Lapierre worth a 1st +. His season was good. Since when 1.48 PPG is a great season in the QMJHL? Felix Robert had 2.00 two seasons ago and signed an AHL deal with Wilkes Barre. Xavier Simoneau had 1.46 and went undrafted. Qmjhl is the weakest of the major junior leagues. He didn't make Canada's wjc roster as an 18YO as most of the top prospects do.

As I said in the other thread, Lapierre is a good prospect, but not untouchable or a star in the making and he won't help during the final Ovi and Backy years. Hertl can and with an extension can also bridge the gap to a rebuild with McMichael and Protas as 1-2-3 C.

And I asked a MTL fan what he thought about the deal. The 1st 2nd and a prospect ares added because there's no certainty in resigning Danault before free agency in the case Montreal accept. MTL and SJ are at different stages. MTL is looking for players to help them win now while gradually ading some of their prospects to the lineup. SJ is looking for future, which Kuzy isn't. That's why Lapierre and VV are in there

Again, I know it's an overpayment I'd be willing to do to shake the core and replace Kuzy with Hertl extended. And yes, due to the almost fully closed window and after the Mantha-Vrana trade, I'd trade 2 late 1sts (one with massive injury concerns), a late 2nd, 2 3rds and a prospect like Brook for an extended Hertl. Maybe remove one of the thirds.

Fortunately for us we're both on these boards and not running the team