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Revised Karlsson Trade

Created by: Hockyluv21
Initial Creation Date: Jun 17, 2021
Published: Jun 17 at 4:39
Team: 2021-22 Carolina Hurricanes
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Bean, Jake2$1,300,000
Foegele, Warren4$2,580,000
Nedeljkovic, Alex5$3,800,000
Svechnikov, Andrei2$6,300,000
Geekie, Morgan2$800,000
Lajoie, Maxime1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Reimer, James2$2,100,000
Hakanpää, Jani3$1,400,000
McCormick, Max2$750,000
Martinook, Jordan2$2,100,000
Coleman, Blake4$4,000,000
Trades
CAR
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($2,500,000 retained)
  2. 2021 1st round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Gardiner, Jake
  2. 2021 1st round pick (CAR)
  3. 2021 7th round pick (CAR)
CAR
    Protected: Svechnikov, Aho, Teravainen, Staal, Trocheck, Niederreiter, Foegele, Slavin, Pesce, Bean, Nedeljkovic
    SEA
    1. Fast, Jesper
    CAR
    1. 2021 1st round pick (WPG)
    WPG
      Signing Rights to D Dougie Hamilton. Jets extend Hamilton for 7 years, $9.1M AAV.
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2021
      SJS
      WPG
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      LAK
      STL
      2022
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      ANA
      CAR
      CBJ
      2023
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      22$81,500,000$80,903,583$0$537,500$596,417
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      CAR
      Svechnikov, Andrei
      $6,300,000
      LW, RW
      RFA
      CAR
      Aho, Sebastian
      $8,460,250
      C, LW
      UFA - 3
      CAR
      Teräväinen, Teuvo
      $5,400,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 3
      CAR
      Niederreiter, Nino
      $5,250,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1
      CAR
      Trocheck, Vincent
      $4,750,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 1
      CAR
      Necas, Martin
      $863,333
      RW, C
      RFA - 1
      Coleman, Blake
      $4,000,000
      LW, RW
      UFA
      CAR
      Staal, Jordan
      $6,000,000
      C, LW
      NMC
      UFA - 2
      CAR
      Foegele, Warren
      $2,580,000
      LW, RW
      RFA
      CAR
      Martinook, Jordan
      $2,100,000
      C, LW, RW
      UFA
      CAR
      Lorentz, Steven
      $725,000
      C, LW
      RFA - 1
      CAR
      Geekie, Morgan
      $800,000
      C, RW
      RFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      CAR
      Slavin, Jaccob
      $5,300,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 4
      SJS
      Karlsson, Erik
      $9,000,000
      RD
      NMC
      UFA - 6
      CAR
      Nedeljkovic, Alex
      $3,800,000
      G
      UFA - 2
      CAR
      Skjei, Brady
      $5,250,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 3
      CAR
      Pesce, Brett
      $4,025,000
      RD
      UFA - 3
      CAR
      Reimer, James
      $2,100,000
      G
      UFA
      CAR
      Bean, Jake
      $1,300,000
      LD
      RFA
      CAR
      Hakanpää, Jani
      $1,400,000
      RD
      UFA
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      CAR
      McCormick, Max
      $750,000
      LW
      UFA
      CAR
      Lajoie, Maxime
      $750,000
      LD
      RFA

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      Jun 17 at 4:42
      #1
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      Gaining a high pick is cool and all but that pick would have to clear top 6 early on to be worth the difference in Hamilton and Karlsson over 6 years at about the same price
      Jun 17 at 4:44
      #2
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      Quoting: ecupirate07
      Gaining a high pick is cool and all but that pick would have to clear top 6 early on to be worth the difference in Hamilton and Karlsson over 6 years at about the same price


      It's about getting Karlsson for the same AAV as Hamilton would take, PLUS the #7 pick, for #26 and Gardiner. If Dougie truly is asking for too much, this is a way to use that cap space to actually generate an asset.
      Jun 17 at 4:45
      #3
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      SJ declines, not trading 1sts.
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      Jun 17 at 4:46
      #4
      Jetsfan
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      WPG and SJS won't be trading their 1sts for those trades
      Jun 17 at 4:47
      #5
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      Quoting: Klara
      SJ declines, not trading 1sts.


      You're not trading out of the 1st entirely, though. This is a pick-swap in a questionable draft, where the value between a high 1st and a late 1st isn't all that big because of COVID and how it has impacted scouting.
      Jun 17 at 4:50
      #6
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      You're not trading out of the 1st entirely, though. This is a pick-swap in a questionable draft, where the value between a high 1st and a late 1st isn't all that big because of COVID and how it has impacted scouting.


      The value between 7th overall and 26th is absolutely huge, no matter the draft, and especially this draft where after the top 12 or so, the quality drops of considerably.
      Jun 17 at 4:51
      #7
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      It's about getting Karlsson for the same AAV as Hamilton would take, PLUS the #7 pick, for #26 and Gardiner. If Dougie truly is asking for too much, this is a way to use that cap space to actually generate an asset.


      Gardiner is a cap dump. SJS have to give up an asset and retain and still have to take back a cap dump who can't play defense. I think I'm missing why SJS do this.
      Jun 17 at 4:52
      #8
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      Maybe Burns for Gardiner straight up.
      Jun 17 at 4:54
      #9
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      Quoting: Klara
      The value between 7th overall and 26th is absolutely huge, no matter the draft, and especially this draft where after the top 12 or so, the quality drops of considerably.


      I look at it as the opposite. There's a huge disagreement between certain scouts about who the best players are in this draft, and you therefore are going to see a lot of players that (IMO) are some of the best players in the draft, like Raty, Robertsson, and Lysell, that potentially may fall into the 20s. This may be the best time in a long time to have a late 1st round pick.
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      Jun 17 at 4:56
      #10
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      Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
      Gardiner is a cap dump. SJS have to give up an asset and retain and still have to take back a cap dump who can't play defense. I think I'm missing why SJS do this.


      One cap dump is 6 years, the other one is 2. The gap in magnitude of the two dumps is huge in terms of AAV, as well.
      Jun 17 at 5:03
      #11
      Carterman13
      Joined: May 2016
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      Jets won’t trade a 1st unless it’s a sign and trade.
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      Jun 17 at 5:09
      #12
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      Quoting: Carterman13
      Jets won’t trade a 1st unless it’s a sign and trade.


      This would be a sign-and-trade.
      Jun 17 at 5:11
      #13
      Carterman13
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      This would be a sign-and-trade.


      Ok then yes I’d do it. But if it’s just for his rights then no
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      Jun 17 at 7:11
      #14
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      Would rather just buy Gardiner out or stash him on LTIR if he’s getting another back surgery which sounds like it could be happening. Don’t want to be stuck with an aging Karlsson for 6 more years.
      Jun 17 at 8:42
      #15
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      If Hamilton wants to sign in Winnipeg I'd rather the Jets just go for 7 years and keep the first. In Dougie's case a 5-7 year contract is probably best.
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      Jun 17 at 10:17
      #16
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      Quoting: Windjammer
      If Hamilton wants to sign in Winnipeg I'd rather the Jets just go for 7 years and keep the first. In Dougie's case a 5-7 year contract is probably best.


      The risk is that Hamilton would choose somewhere else, of course. First-dibs and an extra year is a valuable thing, especially with an elite piece like Dougie.
      Jun 17 at 10:59
      #17
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      The risk is that Hamilton would choose somewhere else, of course. First-dibs and an extra year is a valuable thing, especially with an elite piece like Dougie.


      If he really wants to sign in Winnipeg he will, if he doesn't he doesn't. It's certainly not worth wasting a first to try and convince him.
       
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