While Schmidt is a decent top 4 D, he isn’t worth $6 million. So unless you can find someone as stupid as Ken Holland, you’re not moving him unless you take another bad contract in return.

Bruins and Panthers decline. Better uses for the cap space.

Yeah we need forwards and have 2 good to really good left shot defenseman. Don’t need more. I’ll give you the 4th by itself. That’s as high as I’ll go.

While he's a good player, value is all dependent on what others (GMs) think of him. I personally think he's really good, had a terrible situation last year and will bounce back, however his contract is pretty bad (if he was playing at his potential it would probably be ok but it's an overpay for sure).

If Benning is selling low on him, can't expect to get much in return. VAN doesn't have a ton of leverage as it's gotten out that player and team want to move on and after his play last season paired with his contract and the economics across the league, I just don't think you'll get fair value back. It's similar to Kuzy situation in my opinion - last year was brutal for him and now that they've tried to see what the market is for him it seems like they're not getting near the return they expected. It's why I think they should hold onto Kuzy even if they want to move him at some point since it's likely he'll bounce back in a more normal season and net a higher return.

Vancouver gave up a 3rd round pick in a weak draft. I can't see how he's worth more than that after this last season.

He can have a lot of value if Vancouver retains but right now I think he has zero value.

I believe this is the plan for Schmidt. If GMs don't value him where they once did then I think VAN is holding onto him because he will bounce back. Like he didn't have a bad season, he played well but didn't produce offensively like people expected.

That was because VGK needed to shed his cap, VAN doesn't NEED to

My issue with him is his cap hit. Don’t think he’s worth it. You could find players that can do what he does for half the price and term.

I'd argue he had a bad season, relative to his prior seasons not the rest of LDs in the league. Not only did he not produce but his underlying metrics around driving play dipped and were substantially lower than prior years. I get the whole team was sort of a dumpster fire and it's not all on him but to say he played well seems like a stretch to me.

No other team wanted to give up more than a 3rd round pick last season when he was more valuable. Why would they want to now when he is struggling with a 6M dollar contract.

There ended up being a bidding war for him last year that started with teams thinking VGK would have to add to dump the salary and that ended in VGK receiving a 3rd.

Calling it a bidding war is a bit of stretch in fairness haha

And now that Vancouvers out and Schmidt had a down season why would he get a better return than last season.

He's getting paid like a high end #2 D man but he's only playing like a top 4 D man.

Other teams are trying to dump D because of expansion draft so all non elite D man values go down

Again, I watched him play every game. While there is certainly value in analytics it doesn't put the whole picture together. He was utilized very differently than he was in VGK (which contribute to what you see re: play driving). I would say he had a good season but not the season anyone expected. Not saying he is worth his contract just saying he didn't have a bad season actually played well.

What do you call it when the price kept going up until a team bid something that they other team (FLA) didnt match?

I didn't watch every game but I saw him a fair amount. I didn't see the same thing you did but we can agree to disagree. In terms of how he was utilized and deployed, there are also metrics which account for that to compare to his prior seasons and other defenders. It's a piece that helps paint the broader picture.

A bidding war is when multiple teams keep bidding more and more. Not when 2 offers come in and the first team didn't provide a better offer than the second team did. It's just 2 offers.

Right, so a bidding war occurred in October for Nate Schmidt because what you (and I) defined as a bidding war is what happened... lol

Disagree but that's fine

Columbus needs centers more than they need a LHD. Not sure they’d be interested in Schmidt unless they got paid to take him or got him for a steal.

Some teams complained that they didn't even get a chance to bid. Your opinion is misinformed and misguided, it really is.

I think your values are sensible......I wouldn't trade him for less. Schmidt is a good defenseman.

Lol. Canucks aren't trading him they don't have a replacement and they'd have to retain if they did.

They will probably retain for one year on some players (Roussel, LE, Beagle), I highly doubt they will retain on a multi year deal. Schmidt is not a cap dump and Vancouver will not treat him as such. When/if they trade him, it will be for something they value and it will almost certainly be for more than what they gave up for him.

I doubt it. The longer you hold onto him the less value he as he ages has unless you retain.