Arizona is going to win the Christian Dvorak trade

Forums/Armchair-GM

Page 1 of 2

Created by: sensonfire

Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 4, 2021

Published: Sep. 4, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

MTL

2022 1st round pick (CAR)
2022 3rd round pick (CAR)

CAR

MTL

Dvorak, Christian

Additional Details:

Arizona will receive the better of the two first-round picks that Montreal owns, both their own and Carolina’s (received today as compensation for Jesperi Kotkaniemi). The first-round pick is also semi-top-10 protected, meaning that if one of Montreal’s first-round selections is in the top 10 of the 2022 draft, Arizona will receive the worse of the two picks.

ARI

2022 1st round pick (MTL)
2024 2nd round pick (MTL)

Additional Details:

This is more than what I suggested in a previous post of mine.

Most people that commented on my post hated the idea.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2756717

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $1,958,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$65,237,977	$597,561	$1,475,000	$16,262,023

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Toffoli, Tyler $2,125,000$2,125,000 RW, LW UFA - 3	Suzuki, Nick $863,333$863,333 ($537,500$538K) C UFA - 1	Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($300,000$300K) LW, RW UFA - 2
Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW UFA - 3	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 4	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 6
Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Evans, Jake $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 6
Lehkonen, Artturi $1,150,000$1,150,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Paquette, Cédric $950,000$950,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1
		Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 4

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Petry, Jeff $2,343,750$2,343,750 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 5
Chiarot, Ben $1,750,000$1,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 4	Allen, Jake $2,875,000$2,875,000 G UFA - 2
Kulak, Brett $925,000$925,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Romanov, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($637,500$638K) LD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Perreault, Mathieu $950,000$950,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 1		Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 5
Wideman, Chris $750,000$750,000 RD UFA - 1		Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Poehling, Ryan $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 2

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:35 p.m.

ColonelX

Evans truther

Joined: Jul. 2019

Posts: 2,506

Likes: 1,434

If one of the pick is top 10 then Arizona takes the other one, the 2nd rounder is almost irrelevant to us as our pipeline will be shooting players to us so it's likely we trade someone away by then for another 2nd. Last time we took a center from Arizona everything went well so I'll just be here waiting.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:35 p.m.

Gofnut999

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 19,806

Likes: 8,842

Basically for Habs it is Kotko and a 2nd for Dvorak and 3rd.

Montreal wins that.

McSchleep and Wqrrior liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:36 p.m.

hockeyconnor97

Connor

Joined: Oct. 2018

Posts: 1,529

Likes: 635

Quoting: Gofnut999

Basically is Kotko and a 2nd for Dvorak and 3rd.

Montreal wins that.

Not at all, a Montreal first is way more valuable than a CAR 1st, I’d say mtl doesn’t make the playoffs

sensonfire, Wqrrior and bhavikp27 liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:37 p.m.

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: Gofnut999

Basically for Habs it is Kotko and a 2nd for Dvorak and 3rd.

Montreal wins that.

What does Arizona have to do with Kotkaniemi?

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:38 p.m.

Kotkaniemi15

Former Hockey Fan

Joined: Jun. 2017

Posts: 13,144

Likes: 10,516

The trade itself isn’t bad, but the fact that they lost Kotkaniemi to do this is very bad.

sensonfire liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:38 p.m.

Gofnut999

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 19,806

Likes: 8,842

Quoting: hockeyconnor97

Not at all, a Montreal first is way more valuable than a CAR 1st, I’d say mtl doesn’t make the playoffs

They move down a few spots in the draft. Not a huge difference middle and late 1st.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:41 p.m.

Gofnut999

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 19,806

Likes: 8,842

Quoting: sensonfire

What does Arizona have to do with Kotkaniemi?

I said from Habs perspective. They came out ahead. Zona got a 1st and 2nd for a guy that was probably not worth it. They came out ahead too. Carolina, not so much.

sensonfire and McSchleep liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:42 p.m.

hockeyconnor97

Connor

Joined: Oct. 2018

Posts: 1,529

Likes: 635

Quoting: Gofnut999

They move down a few spots in the draft. Not a huge difference middle and late 1st.

I’d argue Montreal’s could very well be top 10, losing Weber danault and Tatar hurts. The young players’ development will lessen the blow but they still got considerably worse. No way they make the playoffs unless they somehow grab the 2nd wild card away from someone in the metro

sensonfire liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:47 p.m.

Wqrrior

Joined: Feb. 2019

Posts: 10,325

Likes: 3,987

This is what I thought Dvorak was worth. Habs fans undervalued him before, now they will overvalue him. Then go from overvaluing KK to undervaluing him. Its funny how much "being a hab" increases the value of a player within MTL.

sensonfire liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:57 p.m.

#10

littlejerryseinfeld

Joined: Nov. 2017

Posts: 27,819

Likes: 14,533

Dvorak is a nice player, but Montreal should have done a quick rebuild instead with the assets from the offer sheet

sensonfire and Wqrrior liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:58 p.m.

#11

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: ColonelX

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:59 p.m.

#12

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: Gofnut999

Basically for Habs it is Kotko and a 2nd for Dvorak and 3rd.

Montreal wins that.

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Just sayin.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:00 p.m.

#13

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: hockeyconnor97

Not at all, a Montreal first is way more valuable than a CAR 1st, I’d say mtl doesn’t make the playoffs

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:00 p.m.

#14

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: Kotkaniemi15

The trade itself isn’t bad, but the fact that they lost Kotkaniemi to do this is very bad.

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:01 p.m.

#15

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: Wqrrior

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:01 p.m.

#16

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Dvorak is a nice player, but Montreal should have done a quick rebuild instead with the assets from the offer sheet

Absolutely.

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:02 p.m.

#17

Darkale

Joined: Mar. 2017

Posts: 174

Likes: 23

A chance on a millions. The fact that we still keep the best pick (top 10) make it fair for me.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:02 p.m.

#18

Byrr

Joined: Jul. 2019

Posts: 6,288

Likes: 3,037

I'll never understand why people have this obsession with declaring winners and losers from trades for picks. Both teams have different goals here. Montreal wants to be better now, Arizona wants to be better in the future. Both have achieved their goals, theres no loser here.

McSchleep and ColonelX liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:03 p.m.

#19

HabsFan33

Joined: Mar. 2018

Posts: 219

Likes: 46

Quoting: hockeyconnor97

Not at all, a Montreal first is way more valuable than a CAR 1st, I’d say mtl doesn’t make the playoffs

I don't think Carolina will finish in the top 3 of the Metropolitan division. Isles, Pittsburgh, Washington and Philly are ahead of them. They lost their #1 D and their goaltending is average at best. They'll be lucky to be a wildcard team.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:04 p.m.

#20

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: Darkale

A chance on a millions. The fact that we still keep the best pick (top 10) make it fair for me.

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:04 p.m.

#21

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: Byrr

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:05 p.m.

#22

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,874

Likes: 4,462

Quoting: HabsFan33

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:05 p.m.

#23

Kotkaniemi15

Former Hockey Fan

Joined: Jun. 2017

Posts: 13,144

Likes: 10,516

Quoting: sensonfire

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

And if Colorado finishes last in the league they could have Shane Wright play with Nathan MacKinnon.

Wqrrior, McSchleep and ColonelX liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:06 p.m.

#24

ricochetii

Go Habs Go

Joined: Mar. 2017

Posts: 10,667

Likes: 4,091

Quoting: sensonfire

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Per the conditions on the pick.

To me, that's a win for Arizona.

Dude, use multiquote lol.

McSchleep and ColonelX liked this.

Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:07 p.m.

#25

Gofnut999

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 19,806

Likes: 8,842

Quoting: sensonfire

If Montreal and Carolina finish at the bottom of the league, Arizona could have the 2nd overall pick for 2022.

Just sayin.

How do you figure that?

The stip is Arizona gets the better of the 2 picks unless either or both are in the top 10 and then they get the worse of the 2. Only way possible would be 1 and 2 in the lottery. Not happening. Canes are a playoff team.

Zona may get 2nd overall, but it will be with their own pick lol.

McSchleep liked this.

Page 1 of 2 (7 more posts)

DISPLAY SETTING

BETTING ODDS

LOCALE

ARCHIVE

CBA

CALCULATORS

FANTASY HOCKEY TOOLS

TOOLS

PLAYERS

WESTERN CONFERENCE

EASTERN CONFERENCE

INTERACTIVE FEATURES

Forums/Armchair-GM