Oilers definitely add a decent amount, Varlamov was activated off IR 2 days ago so we don't know who is the Isles starter and they'll probably go with a 1a, 1b system

EDM needs to add, and they need to add a lot... I don't think they can take on any of NYI's bad contracts though, or have any relevant swaps that could break their lineup. Maybe adding Kekkoek for cheap LD help and several picks could move the needle?

Regardless, who knows if Sorrow-kin is ready for a full season by himself yet. I don't know that NYI does this trade, at least not with EDM. If anything this happens at the deadline, so NYI gets ~60 games with a solid tandem. EDM should still be in the playoff race then.

Another layer is Varly's NTC...

I don't see NYI considering trading Varlamov until after this season. They like the 1a-1b dynamic.

if they’re taking on koskinen there needs to be a 1st imo

agree, they’d do it if necessary to improve the team but not just to help the oilers like it seems to be in this trade lol

If Varly gets dealt it's next season and it wouldn't be for Koskinen. With Varly being healthy again Trotz likely goes back to the great tandem system between the 2. I can't see why the Isles would have any interest in Koski, would rather picks/prospects imo. Lou can always flip the picks/prospects for roster players if need be, can't say the same about Koski. Also Varly has a NTC and I can't see him wanting to waive after going to the ECF in back to back years.

Why? That's just ignorant.

Very interesting points! Did not know Varly was on IR at all. This seems to be either a deadline type deal or an offseason deal. Thanks for the insight, guys!

How is that ignorant? Both goalies have similar cap hits, but one is YARDS better than the other... and I'm a Ranger fan haha... a 1st and a depth player is more than fair to even this out. Especially since Varly has another year after this one at a great cap hit!

I'd say oilers add a 1st despite Koskinen's start

Varly is still the 1A starter. He had a nagging injury and just came off IR. Sorokin may be handed the reins in the summer. At that time, Varly should be traded for a 1st round pick (if he signs extension with his new team) or 2 2nds without one

Over the past 2+ years Varlamov has posted a .921 save percentage vs Koskinen at .911. Pretty hard to logically argue that the upgrade is worth a 1st to Edmonton IMO, especially since they aren't relying on Koskinen as their starter.

but why would the islanders give up a great goalie that they can and will still use in their lineup who was top 10 in GSAx last year for a straight swap with koskinen, who’s not an nhl starter and is overpaid by a lot? there needs to be a premium asset in there or they won’t consider it. why help out your potential competition for literally nothing of value in return?

Not sure why you're asking me to justify this trade, as I didn't create it, but I think the argument here is that the Islanders free up $5M next season and that has value.

I'm saying that the difference between the two isn't enough to justify a 1st round pick from Edmonton's perspective.

BTW, Koskinen is not overpaid based on his performance over the past 2+ seasons.

thing is it isnt a "straight swap". Title is pretty clear, description is pretty clear, "what do you need to add, on both sides?"

Yeah youre going to need to add a LOT more context rofl. 64 games 2.96 GAA for Koskinen, 2.34 over 81 games for Varlamov which means less shots against for Koskinen (1931 vs 2298)

You don't understand how percentages work, do you?

from you i got that, it was a response to the other guy saying asking the oilers to add a 1st would be ridiculous.

ah gotcha

I dont think you do lol. Similar shots against, less games, nearly an extra goal against per game. Thats a big downgrade

You're ignoring a key part here... the defense. I've highlighted a clue from your own text.

No i accounted for the games 17 games difference with a 400 shot difference between both which means similar shots against per game which means defense is not a factor, you highlighted that

MK: 32.85 SA/60
SV: 29.60 SA/60

MK: 2.70 xGA/60
SV: 2.41 xGA/60

SV: 0.04 GSAA/60
MK: 0.00 GSAA/60

Varlamov is better, but once you account for the difference in team defense the margin is much, much smaller than you think.

Wtf are you smoking? Varly had a .929 sv% last year with a 2.04 gaa. Koskinen had a .899 sv% with a 3.17 sv%. Varlamovs been a top 5 goalie over the past couple of seasons. If we're losing varly for this playoff run and another season youre damn right its gonna cost a 1st.

No intelligent person judges a goalie on only 1 season.