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Trade to Contention

Created by: Rooster
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 8, 2021
Published: Dec. 8, 2021
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I was listening to the Wally & Methot podcast the other day with Bobby Ryan, and both Methot and Ryan agreed that Ottawa is not a destination point for free agents. I think Giroux might be the exception given he lives in the area.
To enter contention years, I think the Sens should consider trading some picks and prospects, as we have plenty of both, in exchange for a top 6 RW and top 4 RD. I targeted Theodore and Terravainen as examples, knowing both guys most likely won't be dealt from their respective squads.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$925,000
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,000,000
3$2,000,000
3$4,500,000
7$6,500,000
4$5,000,000
2$1,200,000
8$9,000,000
2$1,800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$6,500,000
5$5,000,000
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (NYI)
2.
3.
OTT
  1. 2022 7th round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (VAN)
4.
CAR
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (BOS)
  2. 2023 1st round pick (OTT)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (NYI)
5.
OTT
    Anyone who'd take him with a sweetener draft pick.
    BUF
    1. Murray, Matt
    2. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2022
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    2023
    Logo of the OTT
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    Logo of the OTT
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    2024
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    20$81,500,000$80,378,213$0$425,000$1,121,787
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $8,205,714$8,205,714
    LW
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $4,975,000$4,975,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $9,000,000$9,000,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $5,400,000$5,400,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $762,500$762,500
    LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $1,200,000$1,200,000
    LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $863,333$863,333
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $925,000$925,000
    RW
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $1,800,000$1,800,000
    LW
    RFA
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $925,000$925,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
    $5,200,000$5,200,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    LD/RD, LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $925,000$925,000
    G
    RFA - 1

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    Dec. 8, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
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    I like a lot of what you did here.

    My only thing is that Theadore trade, that is a lot to give up on specially JDB, we don't really know his ceiling yet, which could be as good as Theadore by this year.
    Sanderson - Thompson
    Branstrom - JDB

    I am ok with getting in free top 6 forwards especially with the RW, However, I am still confident that Pinto ends up the 2 C, so maybe Giroux is a the answer as a RW, could even have the top 6
    Brady - Norris - Giroux
    Stu - Pinto - Batherson

    the bottom six has some great potential there for secondary scoring, but I would likely switch Formenton and Greig.
    Formenton and Sokolov are more speed and puck skills, while Greig and Boucher are both more Physical and Power forward types, so they match better together.
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    Dec. 8, 2021 at 2:15 p.m.
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    I really don't think those cap dumps are at all reasonable to the other teams. While I agree with you maybe Ottawa isn't a preferred location for some players, but so what? So many teams are near that cap or even need to shed cap, there should be UFAs who want to sign almost anywhere to cash out of maybe their last contract.
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    Dec. 8, 2021 at 2:45 p.m.
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    Detroit is all set at RD with Hronek, Seider and Lindstrom. If Zaitev played on the left side then I'd take this trade.
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    Dec. 8, 2021 at 3:19 p.m.
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    First off, the team will not give assets to dump players they still need, so your ideas are based on fan wants, and not reality.

    Roby Järventie is headed to his second WJC. He has 3g 6a for 9 points in 19 games, as a 19 year old in the AHL, playing against men. Trading him, with a 1st, and JBD, for Theodore is crazy.

    You've traded Chabot's best friend, 24 year old Colin White, who was on an 18 goal pace last season while playing 3rd line minutes with Nick Paul, for a 3rd round pick. Bad player and asset management.

    The coach loves Zaitsev, the GM loves Zaitsev, they aren't "dumping" him as long as he continues to be hard to play against, and could possibly get assets for him at the TDL from a team in need of a "hard to play against" defenceman for the playoffs, if they wanted to trade him.

    The team has needed White, Murray, and Zaitsev to make the cap floor, and if Giroux decides against Ottawa...Holy crap, I just noticed you gave Gustavsson $4.5MM. Binnington got $4.4MM after a 32 game season with a 1.89 GAA and .927 save% season, and winning the Stanley Cup. Gustavsson is 8-8-3 in 20 career games, has a 3.09 GAA and a .909 save%.

    Nevermind, this is a great ACGM
    Dec. 8, 2021 at 3:20 p.m.
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    If you are wanting to acquire Turbo, it will cost more than what you are currently giving up. Turbo is an elite defensive, playmaking winger, and he has a lethal shot to boot. Plus you also have the chemistry with Aho that the Canes would lose if they trade Turbo. I think it would be safe to say that unless Ottawa is willing to overpay with more than a king’s ransom, they can forget about prying Turbo out of Carolina.

    For Turbo, you would likely have to part with a pretty blue chip prospect and one of Ottawa’s first round picks. The prospect would most likely be a higher end LW.

    Everything else looks fine for right now, although that Theodore trade might be rough after a couple of years.
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    Dec. 8, 2021 at 3:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: NDoody
    I like a lot of what you did here.

    My only thing is that Theadore trade, that is a lot to give up on specially JDB, we don't really know his ceiling yet, which could be as good as Theadore by this year.
    Sanderson - Thompson
    Branstrom - JDB

    I am ok with getting in free top 6 forwards especially with the RW, However, I am still confident that Pinto ends up the 2 C, so maybe Giroux is a the answer as a RW, could even have the top 6
    Brady - Norris - Giroux
    Stu - Pinto - Batherson

    the bottom six has some great potential there for secondary scoring, but I would likely switch Formenton and Greig.
    Formenton and Sokolov are more speed and puck skills, while Greig and Boucher are both more Physical and Power forward types, so they match better together.


    I agree with everything you're saying. It'll be a pretty interesting few years as we inevitably shift to trading assets in order to compete in the playoffs. Our bottom six look really good for the future.
    Dec. 8, 2021 at 3:24 p.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    I really don't think those cap dumps are at all reasonable to the other teams. While I agree with you maybe Ottawa isn't a preferred location for some players, but so what? So many teams are near that cap or even need to shed cap, there should be UFAs who want to sign almost anywhere to cash out of maybe their last contract.


    Agreed. Theoretically though, I'd like to see those contracts dumped and to do so will require a sweetener. Have a listen to the podcast I mentioned in my description if you have not done so already. Very interesting, real observations from Bobby Ryan and Mark Methot about Ottawa as a destination. I am an Ottawa guy and love the city unconditionally. But NHLers have 31 other destinations they can go to. I do think we'll become more viable as a FA market once we start competing again.
    Dec. 8, 2021 at 3:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: aedoran
    Detroit is all set at RD with Hronek, Seider and Lindstrom. If Zaitev played on the left side then I'd take this trade.


    Really it's Zaitsev and a pick anywhere other than Ottawa that would be ideal.
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    Dec. 8, 2021 at 3:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensibleguy
    First off, the team will not give assets to dump players they still need, so your ideas are based on fan wants, and not reality.

    Roby Järventie is headed to his second WJC. He has 3g 6a for 9 points in 19 games, as a 19 year old in the AHL, playing against men. Trading him, with a 1st, and JBD, for Theodore is crazy.

    You've traded Chabot's best friend, 24 year old Colin White, who was on an 18 goal pace last season while playing 3rd line minutes with Nick Paul, for a 3rd round pick. Bad player and asset management.

    The coach loves Zaitsev, the GM loves Zaitsev, they aren't "dumping" him as long as he continues to be hard to play against, and could possibly get assets for him at the TDL from a team in need of a "hard to play against" defenceman for the playoffs, if they wanted to trade him.

    The team has needed White, Murray, and Zaitsev to make the cap floor, and if Giroux decides against Ottawa...Holy crap, I just noticed you gave Gustavsson $4.5MM. Binnington got $4.4MM after a 32 game season with a 1.89 GAA and .927 save% season, and winning the Stanley Cup. Gustavsson is 8-8-3 in 20 career games, has a 3.09 GAA and a .909 save%.

    Nevermind, this is a great ACGM


    Thanks for the input. I'm not one to get into back and forths on message boards. Let's hope the Sens compete, regardless of the path they take. Cheers.
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    Dec. 8, 2021 at 3:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: evelutions2
    If you are wanting to acquire Turbo, it will cost more than what you are currently giving up. Turbo is an elite defensive, playmaking winger, and he has a lethal shot to boot. Plus you also have the chemistry with Aho that the Canes would lose if they trade Turbo. I think it would be safe to say that unless Ottawa is willing to overpay with more than a king’s ransom, they can forget about prying Turbo out of Carolina.

    For Turbo, you would likely have to part with a pretty blue chip prospect and one of Ottawa’s first round picks. The prospect would most likely be a higher end LW.

    Everything else looks fine for right now, although that Theodore trade might be rough after a couple of years.


    Agreed. More theoretical than anything. I think the Sens need to trade prospects and picks in a year or two for a top 4 right handed d.
    Dec. 8, 2021 at 3:49 p.m.
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    All the comments saying Shea Theodore isn't worth at LEAST that package is hilarious tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy
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    Dec. 8, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: VancLOSERCaSUCKS
    All the comments saying Shea Theodore isn't worth at LEAST that package is hilarious tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy


    ACGM. The place where other teams’ superstars are worth pennies, but your team’s prospects are guaranteed stars.

    A Theodore trade would require a return similar to the Seth Jones deal IMO.
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    Dec. 9, 2021 at 1:27 p.m.
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    Edited Dec. 10, 2021 at 2:48 p.m.
    Well that is quite the sexy lineup

    Quoting: NDoody
    My only thing is that Theadore trade, that is a lot to give up on specially JDB, we don't really know his ceiling yet, which could be as good as Theadore by this year.


    JBD won't ever be as good as Theodore is right now, not even close. He's actually quite similar to Thomas Chabot (edit : He is Theodore)

    Price is high but would you accept less for Chabot?
    Dec. 10, 2021 at 12:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    Well that is quite the sexy lineup



    JBD won't ever be as good as Theodore is right now, not even close. He's actually quite similar to Thomas Chabot

    Price is high but would you accept less for Chabot?


    From the college games i have watched of JDB he seems like a different style D than Theadore, more of a good and physical D with some offensive flair. I wouldn't have picked Chabot as a comparable thou.
    Dec. 10, 2021 at 2:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: NDoody
    From the college games i have watched of JDB he seems like a different style D than Theadore, more of a good and physical D with some offensive flair. I wouldn't have picked Chabot as a comparable thou.


    I'm not comparing JBD to Chabot (or Shea). I'm comparing Theodore to Chabot

    But yeah it was maybe not worded properly
     
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