Hot dog Phil got 4 assists tonight. Let the bidding begin! 😁

I get the impression that kessel does not have much value. I think a 2nd gets it done with retention.

You would be idiots to move Schmidt. He also has like no value to Arizona

A 50-60 point forward on openly the worst team in the league isn't worth more than a 2nd? You're insane...

Did i stutter? It’s the impression i get. If there was some haul out there to be had, don’t you think it would be done by now?

Well it's nice to get Kessel, but you've made the defence weaker by trading Schmidt. For Phil's sake, I hope he gets traded, and has one last playoff run, Gotta think he will really help some team.

Trading Schmidt is the only way the cap works when Wheeler returns

I know but that's the dilemma for so many teams as so many are so close to the cap. But really Kessel's cap isn't really that much since Arizona has paid a big portion of contract already. Half retained closer to TDL makes his cap to Jets would be about 1.2m

Why are Vesalainen and Timmins included in this deal? Neither team should want to trade them. Regarding Arizona in particular, the Coyotes have only Chychrun and Gostisbehere under contract for next season, and both are LDs; Timmins is the closest thing they have to an NHL-quality RD. Meanwhile, Arizona has a surplus of young left-handed forwards vying for spots next year. To put it another way, you've said that Schmidt is included for cap reasons; presumably, Timmins is to make up for his absence, but facilitating the trade by shifting Winnipeg is a benefit to the Jets, not Arizona, so why should the Coyotes pay for that?

Nope, you're just insane. No team will make a move until the deadline for that big a cap hit so they get the most flexibility with it. Kessel is going to move and he's going to return more than a 2nd... you're insane if you think that's gonna happen, but a typical Bruins fan slating an ex-bruin is something I should have expected 😂

We’ll wait and see. I think the league views him as pretty one-dimensional at this point. Aging legs. His last return was underwhelming. He has a pretty protective NTC, and seems like to like it in arizona. I just can’t see it being a buyers market. Something similar to what Taylor hall got seems appropriate

Everything from our beat writer states he wants to play for a contender but would prefer to move closer to the deadline. His wife is pregnant so I don’t think he’s in any rush to leave, plus waiting until the deadline gets more teams involved. The deadline is late March so weather should be good enough in most places for him to open up the trade list

As I said… I’m not sure of Kessels value as I haven’t really paid attention to him, and figured Schmidt and a 1st might be low, so added Vesa and Timmins to balance it… if Schmidt and the 1st would do, then I’d be good with that

The thing is i don’t think the real contenders want him. He is very one dimensional. I view him as an acquisition for a team isn’t “all in,” but wants to make a minor splash at the deadline that could be a home run if the fit is right.

I mean he’s more or less still the same guy he was in Pittsburgh. He still skates well, he’s still producing, and he comes with that coveted “cup winning pedigree.” I wouldn’t be shocked if teams wanted him for depth scoring and some PP2 time. I view him as returning a 2nd and a decent prospect, but if enough teams are in I wouldn’t be stunned if it gets up to a 1st

Kessel would be a total playoff rental in Winnipeg. Not interested in signing him afterwards, so he can go back to Arizona if he wants.


This is basically what I was thinking as well. I upped it to a 1st because Arizona was taking Schmidt’s contract in return

Holy cow that is one incredibly awful overpay by the Jets. If that wouldn't get Chevy fired, nothing would.

How so?
Schmidts contract downgrades the 1st.
Vesa for Timmins would even out retention on Kessel

Schmidt is by far the best player in the trade and plays a position the Jets need. Adding a first on top of him to pick up Kessel, who doesn't offer the Jets anything they need, should get you fired for sure.

Kessel plays exactly what the Jets need… top 6 RW. That’s the position we need most.
As for Schmidt, a left handed RD is not what we need… he’s a fill in until Heinola develops or we get a better option. Moving Pionk up and putting Heinola in with Dillon would cover losing Schmidt and adding Kessel up front would balance out our top 6 for a playoff run and add production.
If a player like Schmidt is considered untouchable, then the Jets should just sell off and rebuild now.

Giving up a excellent defenseman with 3 years of term on a good contract after this one and a first, for a rental 34 year old offense only winger (a worse, more lazy version of Laine) is ludicrous. It's the last thing the Jets should do. The Jets finally fixed their defense after years of trying and you propose they throw that all away for a 34 year old rental.

If the Jets made this trade, they would be doing exactly what you're saying. They would be throwing in the towel on competing in the present and committing to a rebuild.

I wouldn’t call Schmidt an excellent defenceman and I definitely wouldn’t call his contract good. He is not a fix… he’s a bandaid to get us through until we can fix it.
Again… if Schmidt is considered untouchable, the team has serious issues

I know you have some irrational dislike for Schmidt, but objectively he is a excellent defenseman on a fair contract. If the Jets are trading a defenseman they need, a good young player and a 1st, for two players they don't need including a 34 year old, one dimensional rental winger that goes against the work ethic and accountability the Jets need to establish, the team has serious issues.

All of these debates over value are the funniest thing because Kessel has an 8 team no trade list and I would bet my life savings the first team listed, underlined, bolded and written in red in the Jets. This is a man who in no way is waiving trade protection to go from Arizona to Winnipeg

This is the exact thing that every single Jet fan would hope and wish for. Thank heavens for his NTC!