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2021-2022 NHL Discussion Thread #11

Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:11 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarner_16
Dude that was a legit kick. Not mad about that. Shouldn’t count and they made the right call


If that was a kick then what about all the other "kicked" goals that counted

We have seen goals like that exact one count in other games

If his didnt count then every other one should not count.

Even Dangle agreed it should have counted
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:12 p.m.
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TML...numerous, very costly turnovers in own end (Fox goal), soft coverage (Reaves marker) to zero coverage (Kreider gift) in the defensive zone.
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:13 p.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
TML...numerous, very costly turnovers in own end (Fox goal), soft coverage (Reaves marker) to zero coverage (Kreider gift) in the defensive zone.


Sandin and Liligren are not ready yet for top 4 and man Dermott sucked tonight

I think he was on for every goal but 1

Just get Muzzin back as man this team gets bulldozed without him
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:15 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
That wasnt a kick lul

We have seen goals like that exact one count in other games

If his didnt count then every other one should not count.


That was def a kick. 110%.
He turned his toe like an NHLer in hallway warmup or like a good soccer player; wrong sport.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:17 p.m.
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21 goals in 4 games for Campbell.

Now might be a nice time to resign Jack 🤷‍♂️
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:17 p.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
That was def a kick. 110%.
He turned his toe like an NHLer in hallway warmup or like a good soccer player; wrong sport.


Heres the thing goals like have been allowed this season. The fact his gets called back shows inconsistencies in the sport

Dont believe go look at Stephenson's against the Kraken or the one thats an exact clone (Tierney against Toronto)
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:17 p.m.
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Time for me to overreact and trade Matthews and Mariner on Armchair GM only to watch people lose their minds like it’s real
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:18 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
21 goals in 4 games for Campbell.

Now might be a nice time to resign Jack 🤷‍♂️


Tonight it was on the horrible defence by his teammates
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:19 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
If that was a kick then what about all the other "kicked" goals that counted

We have seen goals like that exact one count in other games

If his didnt count then every other one should not count.

Even Dangle agreed it should have counted


More wrongs don't make a right. I agree, based on the calling this year, it should count. Based on the rulebook, it shouldnt. and tonight they decided to open their eyes to the rulebook instead of saying "lmao who cares".

And tbh, do we expect anything else from this league?
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:20 p.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
Time for me to overreact and trade Matthews and Mariner on Armchair GM only to watch people lose their minds like it’s real


do it. and be 100% stoneface serious.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:21 p.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
Tonight it was on the horrible defence by his teammates


This road trip is not Jack's fault. Our defence has been beyond sloppy. We can't hold leads and were gift wrapping goals to the opposing team. Keefe's got some work to do.
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:22 p.m.
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It was 3-1...

(Sorry, Leaf fans. Had to make fun of another team to make me forget about losing by 3 to the Coyotes)
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:22 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Heres the thing goals like have been allowed this season. The fact his gets called back shows inconsistencies in the sport

Dont believe go look at Stephenson's against the Kraken.


imo the difference is that Stephenson was already moving in that direction but angled his skate so it would go towards the net. Matthews was not moving but kicked his skate forward towards the net
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil1122
It was 3-1...

(Sorry, Leaf fans. Had to make fun of another team to make me forget about losing by 3 to the Coyotes)


Can we have Muzzin back

Like honestly we could have just had Rielly-Brodie out there the entire game and did better
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:23 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:35 p.m.
Quoting: UpsideDownQue
imo the difference is that Stephenson was already moving in that direction but angled it so it would go towards the net. Matthews was not moving but kicked his skate forward towards the net


Im looking at Tierneys as honestly his goal is basically what Matthews did. Wish I could get an overhead camera view for Matthews but from the current angle so far almost identical goals. But Tierney's counted...
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:26 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarner_16
This road trip is not Jack's fault. Our defence has been beyond sloppy. We can't hold leads and were gift wrapping goals to the opposing team. Keefe's got some work to do.


He needs a break. He has not looked good. Why sign Mrazek if your not going to play him.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:38 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Im looking at Tierneys as honestly his goal is basically what Matthews did. Wish I could get an overhead camera view for Matthews but yeah its looking to be the exact same rn and Tierney's counted.


Tierneys was more of a redirect imo. If you look at the change in direction of the puck before and after it hits the skate the angle is >90 degrees, so the puck already had momentum in the forward direction towards the net and Tierney changed its direction without really adding any force behind it. On the Matthews one the angle is <90 degrees and the puck didnt have any momentum in the direction of the net until Matthews hit it that way

Definitely a grey area though and it couldve gone either way
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:40 p.m.
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
Tierneys was more of a redirect imo. If you look at the change in direction of the puck before and after it hits the skate the angle is >90 degrees, so the puck already had momentum in the forward direction towards the net and Tierney changed its direction without really adding any force behind it. On the Matthews one the angle is <90 degrees and the puck didnt have any momentum in the direction of the net until Matthews hit it that way

Definitely a grey area though and it couldve gone either way


Looks pretty much the same to me


Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:41 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Im looking at Tierneys as honestly his goal is basically what Matthews did. Wish I could get an overhead camera view for Matthews but from the current angle so far almost identical goals. But Tierney's counted...


Quoting: UpsideDownQue
Tierneys was more of a redirect imo. If you look at the change in direction of the puck before and after it hits the skate the angle is >90 degrees, so the puck already had momentum in the forward direction towards the net and Tierney changed its direction without really adding any force behind it. On the Matthews one the angle is <90 degrees and the puck didnt have any momentum in the direction of the net until Matthews hit it that way

Definitely a grey area though and it couldve gone either way


Heres an overhead view


Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:47 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Looks pretty much the same to me




See how on the Tierney one the puck already had momentum towards the net though? The puck only touched the side of his skate which was parallel to the direction that the puck went so Tierney could not have added any forward momentum towards the net with a kick

Heres an overhead view of the Tierney goal which shows it better:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/tierney-scores-first-goal-season-senators-redirect-vs-maple-leafs/
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:47 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Looks pretty much the same to me




NHL should just make this the rule

You cannot deflect the puck into the net via foot motion. If the puck goes off a stand still foot it counts but if you do what these 2 did or Stephenson did it does not count

Will save people a lot of headaches and prevent controversy
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:48 p.m.
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Two big boys fighting in Colorado!
Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:50 p.m.
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Two big boys fighting in Colorado!


that was a great fight
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 10:55 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
NHL should just make this the rule

You cannot deflect the puck into the net via foot motion. If the puck goes off a stand still foot it counts but if you do what these 2 did or Stephenson did it does not count

Will save people a lot of headaches and prevent controversy


Both are kicks...
Jan. 19, 2022 at 11:00 p.m.
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Makar w/ the toe-pick on hisself!

He is a Human & not a "Bot" lol
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