Man thank you for this, people don't realize how good holl's been recently for only $2 mil. Engvall and mikheyev have been great as well which is why some of those trades have stopped.

Wait are you suggesting Rielly is the problem? Man your takes get worse by the game

My bad

Brodie mat be an issue. Justin Braun did an article and he's been really bad at boxing guys out. Liljegren has had issues as well. I do think Liljegren needs more seasoning but Brodie may not be as good as we think

Are you really trying to compare defenseman by using +/- and points? +/- is easily the worst way to judge a player as there is also 4 other players on the ice that effect the outcome. Rielly has been paired with 2 youngsters in Sandin and Liljegren while also being on the ice at the same time as the defensively awful Tavares line. Holl's stats are boosted by playing with Brodie. You need to actually watch games to judge defenseman and if you watch Justin Holl hockey you will notice he gives the puck away too often, makes stupid decisions, holds on to the puck too long, and gets skated by more times than I can count on my hands. We know we can't find someone better at that cap hit, but we can find rentals with retention that equal that cap hit and would perform much better than he does.

10 game samples can be fun.

Ben Chiarot
Over last 10 games
+7
7 points
24+ min a night

Much of this is nonsense. jT's line isn't bad defensively. They get scored on more than they should. Holl is good, has been good for much of the year but has had some issues that may be more Muzzin's fault than his own. Rielly is great though and plus minus is ****

The small sample size statue builders eh?

Mikheyev-Kampf-Engvall

Is apparently the 3rd best line in the NHL rn per stats

Thats probs why lul

To me adding 2 types of Dman will help our main issue as if we look Toronto has no Dman to clear the front of the net or does not really have a true shot blocker.

A big net front Dman who will clear the area and make it hard for in close goals or tip/tap ins

And A veteran Dman with leadership qualities, puck moving, size, and can QB a PP if need be.

Giordano + Mayfield should be looked into

As imagine come playoff time

Rielly-Brodie
Giordano-Mayfield
Muzzin-Lybushkin

Holl and Sandin can be fillers should injuries occur and in the playoffs almost a given.

Not implying Rielly is the problem at all. What I am saying is people need to open up there eyes and watch all the players on the ice. It is very easy to hone in and pick out flaws of a certain player. But not praise the positives. I am extremely guilty of it with Nylander. Everyone harps on Holl. He is a solid 4-5 guy and at a great price tag.

Thank you hockey expert.

Also I am Doctor Dinkee. You must be thinking of my less educated colleague. Mr Dinkee

Holl has been better than Lyubushkin

I think Holl should be upgraded but he's been good recently. The more I watch them the more I think Muzzin may have been a bigger issue. He's not looked like himself this season

Just to add. Leafs Dmen in this latest bad stretch have taken turns making mistakes.....all seven of them. So blaming Holl/Dermot/Liljegren which is a constant rant on CF is unfounded. Reilly, Brodie and Lybushin get blamed for any flaws. Agree with about Muzzin, he's been poor this season. Campbell and Mrzarek have been poor for two months or more, but I rarely see any criticism of Campbell, it's only Mrzarek on CF.

I am not too worried about the goaltending. I feel like Mrazek has been extremely unlucky but does hurt himself with rebounds at time. Campbell was playing really bad for a bit and then was super unlucky. That last game vs Vancouver was silly. Pucks hitting everything in front of him and ending up in the net. I think the defence needs to tighten up and I am now coming around on a different type of defenceman a bigger bruiser to clear the front of the net. I don't know who would be best. Oleksiak would be sick but that is highly unlikely

mmm no Lybushkin's impact has been greater at both end's then Holl lul.

Through five games, the Leafs have a 67.5 xGF% when Ilya Lyubushkin is on the ice. His on-ice xGA/60 is just 1.03. For context, the Leafs are at 2.67 as a team, and the Flames lead the NHL at 2.0. He looks like a great under the radar pickup thus far.

— Kevin Papetti (@KPapetti) March 3, 2022

Now Holl is a better puck mover I will give him that but in terms of third pair Lybushkin be a tad better rn.

im loving lyubushkin

way better in his own zone. a solid shut down guy

I can show a chart suggesting otherwise but wont. Rielly since being paired away from Brodie though has been on the ice for alot of goals lets just say that lul.

Like the more I see Rielly-Liligren the more I want to strangle someone as while Liligren has a bright future putting him in the top pair or top 4 in general is hurting him.

Yes the XGF of that duo is good but the XGA of 2.50 oh boy does that pairing need to go

If you need more info here's a guy to follow

https://twitter.com/KPapetti <-- Go down and you can see an issue with you know who lul.

Honestly kind of want Toronto to give him an extension. Hakinpaa deal could be nice

agreed

Sheltered minutes with Dermott