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Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 6, 2022
Published: Jun. 6, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,000,000
2$1,650,000
2$1,750,000
3$800,000
1$950,000
2$2,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
3$2,000,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Gibson, John ($400,000 retained)
  2. Vaakanainen, Urho [RFA Rights]
ANA
  1. Mrázek, Petr
  2. Muzzin, Jake
  3. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
  5. 2023 6th round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Crouse, Lawson [RFA Rights]
ARI
  1. Anderson, Joey
  2. Engvall, Pierre [RFA Rights]
  3. Holl, Justin
  4. 2023 4th round pick (TOR)
  5. 2024 4th round pick (TOR)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$82,377,283$212,500$0$122,717

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$850,000$850,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,650,000$1,650,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,750,000$1,750,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$762,500$762,500
LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW
UFA - 2
$950,000$950,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2

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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:45 a.m.
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That Ducks trade is a horrible thought
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.
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That is an awful package for Gibson
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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That Gibson trade is ridiculous, but that Crouse trade might be just as bad.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:51 a.m.
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If you were a Ducks fan would you be happy with this trade? I mean it's great for the Leafs. Unfortunately you must evaluate both teams when it comes to trades.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:52 a.m.
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If you were a Ducks fan would you be happy with this trade?


Not even sure I’m accepting without Gibson in the deal
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:52 a.m.
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That Ducks trade is a horrible thought


Agreed, it's pretty brutal for the Ducks, pretty sure Pat Verbeek can get a far better offer for Gibson than this.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
Agreed, it's pretty brutal for the Ducks, pretty sure Pat Verbeek can get a far better offer for Gibson than this.


And Verbeek apprenticed under Yzerman. If anything he'd fleece Dubas hard.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Muzzin, Mrazek and late picks. Yeah Anaheim can get a way better offer for Gibson than this.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:55 a.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
And Verbeek apprenticed under Yzerman. If anything he'd fleece Dubas hard.


Totally agree 100%, Verbeek does the fleecing here not Dubas.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:55 a.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
Not even sure I’m accepting without Gibson in the deal


The old quantity for quality trade.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.
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As its been said, terrible deal for ANA, that literally only helps TOR

You will have to pay ANA to take Muzzin (I'm sure there is a team that would pay something for him but ANA is not one of those teams, abd it would be at the very least a 1st to get ANA to take him)
Mrazek probably costs a 3rd to dump

So right there is the two most Valuable pieces going to ANA for taking cap from the Leafs

Gibson starts at Nylander or Knies + Liljegren/Niemela + 1st rounder (Not saying Nylander with that package, Nylander or that package)

400k retention on Gibson costs at least a 2nd considering its for 5 years

Vaakanien doesnt get moved for less than a late first

All in all you are missing approximately 2 top prospects, 2 firsts and then some probably
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
The old quantity for quality trade.


TOR cap dumps hit different
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.
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If the leafs want a goalie who isnt a starter but is paid like one, they can just keep mrazek. At least he's put up some decent numbers the past 3 seasons
Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Salzy
TOR cap dumps hit different


And what Leafs fans don't understand is the Ducks don't HAVE to trade Gibson. Sure they certainly would if Verbeek gets a great offer. Just like Yzerman did for Mantha. But they're just fine keeping Gibson. Ducks aren't giving him away for less than his value. And as usual, I don't know what Jared from London is talking about. Mrazek rarely plays anymore. If Dubie finds a taker for Mrazek, he'll do cartwheels on Bay Street.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Salzy
As its been said, terrible deal for ANA, that literally only helps TOR

You will have to pay ANA to take Muzzin (I'm sure there is a team that would pay something for him but ANA is not one of those teams, abd it would be at the very least a 1st to get ANA to take him)
Mrazek probably costs a 3rd to dump

So right there is the two most Valuable pieces going to ANA for taking cap from the Leafs

Gibson starts at Nylander or Knies + Liljegren/Niemela + 1st rounder (Not saying Nylander with that package, Nylander or that package)

400k retention on Gibson costs at least a 2nd considering its for 5 years

Vaakanien doesnt get moved for less than a late first

All in all you are missing approximately 2 top prospects, 2 firsts and then some probably


Lol, gibson starts at nylander or knies, good one.
If gibson was the leafs goalie the past 5 years with those identical numbers people would be saying he was untradeable and would cost the leafa 10 first rounders to move him to arizona
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:08 p.m.
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And what Leafs fans don't understand is the Ducks don't HAVE to trade Gibson. Sure they certainly would if Verbeek gets a great offer. Just like Yzerman did for Mantha. But they're just fine keeping Gibson. Ducks aren't giving him away for less than his value.


And what everyone else needs to understand is that gibson isnt good anymore and his contract is awful
Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
And what Leafs fans don't understand is the Ducks don't HAVE to trade Gibson. Sure they certainly would if Verbeek gets a great offer. Just like Yzerman did for Mantha. But they're just fine keeping Gibson. Ducks aren't giving him away for less than his value.


The purpose of every team in the league is to make the Leafs as good as possible, everyone knows thats how CF works tears of joy

Verbeek coming from the Wings and being under Stevie makes me excited for what he's gonna turn the Ducks into

Honestly I dont see Gibson getting moved, Ducks will want too much (Comparative to what other teams want to pay) and as you say there is not an ounce of pressure to move him, If we move him we would actually need to go get a true starter since we dont have one waiting to replace him
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Salzy
As its been said, terrible deal for ANA, that literally only helps TOR

You will have to pay ANA to take Muzzin (I'm sure there is a team that would pay something for him but ANA is not one of those teams, abd it would be at the very least a 1st to get ANA to take him)
Mrazek probably costs a 3rd to dump

So right there is the two most Valuable pieces going to ANA for taking cap from the Leafs

Gibson starts at Nylander or Knies + Liljegren/Niemela + 1st rounder (Not saying Nylander with that package, Nylander or that package)

400k retention on Gibson costs at least a 2nd considering its for 5 years

Vaakanien doesnt get moved for less than a late first

All in all you are missing approximately 2 top prospects, 2 firsts and then some probably


I don't think this is the value the Ducks want at all.

And if that's what Gibson costs, the Leafs should absolutely not do it. He's expensive and you're relying on him to get back to his old form, which is not a guarantee. Not sure he's a great fit for the Leafs based on that.

Realistically I could see the Leafs trying to do something similar with goalies next year they did this year (but try to have maximum flexibility, maybe even both guys on expiring deals) and see if they can swing a deadline trade if they need to. But unless they think they're getting a bonafide top-10 starter in the league, they shouldn't pay too much for competency in goal.
Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:10 p.m.
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And what everyone else needs to understand is that gibson isnt good anymore and his contract is awful


Horrible take.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Horrible take.


Really? A 904 goalie over 3 seasons making 6.4 mill for 4 more seasons is worth a tone now? Wow, mrazek put up about the same average if not better the past 3 seasons, the leafs should be able to get a mint for him ay 3.8x2
Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
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I don't think this is the value the Ducks want at all.

And if that's what Gibson costs, the Leafs should absolutely not do it. He's expensive and you're relying on him to get back to his old form, which is not a guarantee. Not sure he's a great fit for the Leafs based on that.

Realistically I could see the Leafs trying to do something similar with goalies next year they did this year (but try to have maximum flexibility, maybe even both guys on expiring deals) and see if they can swing a deadline trade if they need to. But unless they think they're getting a bonafide top-10 starter in the league, they shouldn't pay too much for competency in goal.


That is what Gibby would cost, the Ducks have more reasons not to move him than there are reasons to move him

Unless some team gives Verbeek a truly jaw dropping offer, Gibson isnt going anywhere

The Leafs 100% should not try to get Gibson, it would be much more efficient to buyout Mrazek and pay Campbell 5Mx5 and be around the same AAV (when you add Campbell at 5M and the Mrazek buyout cost) but you would still have the high end assets it would take to get Gibson.
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Horrible take.


Any player that would cost more than Leaf fans think is bad value and terrible you should know this by now tears of joy
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:16 p.m.
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Any player that would cost more than Leaf fans think is bad value and terrible you should know this by now tears of joy


If they're playing for the Leafs they're great. When they're not playing for the Leafs they suck. 😁
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Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:17 p.m.
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Any player that would cost more than Leaf fans think is bad value and terrible you should know this by now tears of joy


Cant decide if my fav part of this is the talking smack but being too scared to reply or that no one here can offer up a single reason why gibson is worth anything at all, let alone good assets
Jun. 6, 2022 at 12:18 p.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
If they're playing for the Leafs they're great. When they're not playing for the Leafs they suck. 😁


Lol, your best defence against gibson being good is saying "horrible take"
 
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