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Marner moves to Center

Created by: Tombot97
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 24, 2022
Published: Jun. 24, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
I need to do more research on some of the trade values/resignings, but I could see any of these players moved this offseason with Hart being the least likely.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Scott, Ian2$800,000
Sandin, Rasmus3$2,750,000
Liljegren, Timothy2$1,750,000
Engvall, Pierre3$2,250,000
Kase, Ondrej2$1,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Subban, P.K.1$2,000,000
Athanasiou, Andreas2$2,250,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2022 4th round pick (EDM)
NJD
  1. Brodie, TJ
Additional Details:
With a 5AAV, NTC, and the need to free cap space it should be very hard to move brodie. I got no idea what they would get in return.
2.
TOR
  1. Smith, Mike
EDM
  1. Scott, Ian
  2. 2023 4th round pick (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. Roy, Matt
LAK
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
4.
TOR
  1. 2022 5th round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Holl, Justin
5.
TOR
  1. Hart, Carter
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (PHI)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Mrázek, Petr
  2. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
  3. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$82,481,283$212,500$0$18,717

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Bunting, Michael
$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
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Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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Robertson, Nicholas
$796,667
LW
RFA - 2
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Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
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Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Athanasiou, Andreas
$2,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Engvall, Pierre
$2,250,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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Kase, Ondrej
$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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Clifford, Kyle
$762,500
LW
UFA - 2
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Kämpf, David
$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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Abruzzese, Nick
$850,000
C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Rielly, Morgan
$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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Roy, Matt
$3,150,000
RD
UFA - 2
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Hart, Carter
$3,979,000
G
RFA - 2
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Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Sandin, Rasmus
$2,750,000
LD
RFA
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Smith, Mike
$2,200,000
G
UFA - 1
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Giordano, Mark
$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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Liljegren, Timothy
$1,750,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Simmonds, Wayne
$900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
Subban, P.K.
$2,000,000
RD
UFA
Taxi Squad
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Källgren, Erik
$750,000 ($0)
G
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Nylander, W.
Bunting, M.
Matthews, A.
Rielly, M.
Athanasiou, A.
Power Play 2
Kase, O.
Tavares, J.
Robertson, N.
Marner, M.
Engvall, P.
Penalty Kill 1
Engvall, P.
Marner, M.
Muzzin, J.
Roy, M.
Penalty Kill 2
Kämpf, D.
Bunting, M.
Giordano, M.
Liljegren, T.

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Jun. 24 at 8:41 p.m.
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Welcome Simon Nemec
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you can pay us for your cap dumpnod
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Jun. 24 at 8:42 p.m.
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Hard no from LA.
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Jun. 24 at 8:43 p.m.
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Quoting: BlackwoodForVezina
you can pay us for your cap dumpnod


Brodie can play but I don’t c why he waives his NTC
Jun. 24 at 8:44 p.m.
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The islanders don’t need Holl
Jun. 24 at 8:45 p.m.
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In this scenario Tavares should still be taking faceoffs 100% one of the best face off guys in the nhl
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Jun. 24 at 8:46 p.m.
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I think most these teams say no
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Jun. 24 at 8:47 p.m.
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The islanders don’t need Holl


Good to know I will find a different place to send him next time. He is very unimportant to this so i took very little time on that one.
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Jun. 24 at 8:52 p.m.
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Brodie can play but I don’t c why he waives his NTC


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I figured the devils are an interesting enough roster in a great city with the cap space.
Jun. 24 at 8:56 p.m.
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In this scenario Tavares should still be taking faceoffs 100% one of the best face off guys in the nhl


I don't think Marner even remembers how to play center and he's not a great faceoff man. There is no significant benefit in moving Tavares to the wing. A boost to his personal offensive stats does not trump his value in the circle.

Spezza's contributions to first possession off faceoffs will likely be missed. No need to add Tavares to the list.
Jun. 24 at 8:58 p.m.
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I don't think Marner even remembers how to play center and he's not a great faceoff man. There is no significant benefit in moving Tavares to the wing. A boost to his personal offensive stats does not trump his value in the circle.

Spezza's contributions to first possession off faceoffs will likely be missed. No need to add Tavares to the list.


Makes no sense to move JT away from center lol.
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Jun. 24 at 9:03 p.m.
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I don't think Marner even remembers how to play center and he's not a great faceoff man. There is no significant benefit in moving Tavares to the wing. A boost to his personal offensive stats does not trump his value in the circle.

Spezza's contributions to first possession off faceoffs will likely be missed. No need to add Tavares to the list.


JT would still take faceoffs like JT Miller does for Petersson. Marner at this point is the superior defensmen and can skate with other top centers which Tavares failed to do last year. It worked for Messier and Draisaitl
Jun. 24 at 9:08 p.m.
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Makes no sense to move JT away from center lol.


Agreed. The group advocating for it seem to believe since Tavares is "slowing down" putting him on the wing should help his production. Basically they want him to get more points so he can be "worth" his contract.
Jun. 24 at 9:11 p.m.
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JT would still take faceoffs like JT Miller does for Petersson. Marner at this point is the superior defensmen and can skate with other top centers which Tavares failed to do last year. It worked for Messier and Draisaitl


There's no guarantee that Marner remembers how to play center positionally. Nylander struggled to do it when he had to replace Tavares. Would be silly to play with that since it's going to lead to mistakes. So, it probably wouldn't be like Miller and Pettersen.

Tavares can work on getting his skating up to par during the offseason, or they get a proper centerman to replace him. Ovechkin slimmed down the offseason before he won the cup and him came back looking faster. Maybe Tavares can do the same.
Jun. 24 at 9:12 p.m.
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Agreed. The group advocating for it seem to believe since Tavares is "slowing down" putting him on the wing should help his production. Basically they want him to get more points so he can be "worth" his contract.


I wouldn't move him to the wing if the Leafs didn't have a potential selke level forward. This is more about Marner than Tavares.
Jun. 24 at 9:12 p.m.
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Agreed. The group advocating for it seem to believe since Tavares is "slowing down" putting him on the wing should help his production. Basically they want him to get more points so he can be "worth" his contract.


I don’t get the hate tbh. He was good against TBL.
Jun. 24 at 9:21 p.m.
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I wouldn't move him to the wing if the Leafs didn't have a potential selke level forward. This is more about Marner than Tavares.


Fair enough, but I don't think they need to move Tavares to the wing for that, putting Marner on his wing is probably the better option. Having Matthews and Marner on the same line from that perspective isn't great.

Nylander is under utilized in Tor, and it's because he takes nights off (and that seemed to affect Matthews when they played together). Hopefully, he's learning though, and perhaps he can be played with Bunting and Matthews.
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Jun. 24 at 9:26 p.m.
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Flyers take a cap dump and move Hart for two firsts? Prob nots
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Jun. 24 at 9:28 p.m.
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Fair enough, but I don't think they need to move Tavares to the wing for that, putting Marner on his wing is probably the better option. Having Matthews and Marner on the same line from that perspective isn't great.

Nylander is under utilized in Tor, and it's because he takes nights off (and that seemed to affect Matthews when they played together). Hopefully, he's learning though, and perhaps he can be played with Bunting and Matthews.


I agree with you about splitting up Marner and Matthews. They have all the pieces to make a great top 6 but need to find a way to make it work next year. I would try it both ways and go with whichever works best.
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Jun. 24 at 9:43 p.m.
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I agree with you about splitting up Marner and Matthews. They have all the pieces to make a great top 6 but need to find a way to make it work next year. I would try it both ways and go with whichever works best.


It might be worth trying to run back last years lines and try fixing the Tavares and Nylander line, maybe try Robertson with them again. I liked Kampf-Nylander on line three but unless they are running 3 lines I don't think that would be sustainable in terms of getting Nylander enough minutes without juggling lines a ton.

Knies won't be available until late in the season and who knows where he would best slot in anyways.
Jun. 24 at 10:06 p.m.
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Just a silly scenario to think Brodie is waiving his NTC for Jersey
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Jun. 24 at 10:34 p.m.
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Why dump Holl and sign PK for the same money?
Jun. 24 at 11:21 p.m.
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Ha, ha, no, we're not trading you our #2 RD with two years' term for an older, more expensive third-line rental.
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Jun. 24 at 11:32 p.m.
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Isles have absolutely no interest in Holl.
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Jun. 25 at 3:41 a.m.
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Marner rocks
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Brodie can play but I don’t c why he waives his NTC


He definitely not a cap dump but agree he doesn't waive.
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Jun. 25 at 3:42 a.m.
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Marner rocks
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If Tavares plays on the wing it won't be on his wrong side. imo
 
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