literally everyone who covers the isles. Lou had a trade lined up for Leddy and Trotz believed Leddy was better than Toews. There isn't a coach out there who has had more influence on trades than Trotz.

We've gone back and forth on this before. Leo was an overpay sure, but Hickey was a solid middle pair guy who could play both sides and wasn't signed to an egregious deal (4x$2.5M) for a guy who killed penalties well and was never a drag on possession 5v5. Nobody killed the deal at the time because it was fair value for a fine player, so going back and saying it's one of the reasons they had to move Toews is a little bit revisionist.

And as far as a few posts earlier when you called him out for overpaying Lee, the guy has scored at a 29 goals/82 GP pace since signing, and the includes last year when he was 6 months clear of tearing his ACL. There's also something to be said about making a statement by locking up your captain a year after the last one left town, and while the end of that deal might get a little ugly, I can't fault Lou for signing a good player to a deal like that.

I don’t disagree about the Lee contract. They shouldn’t have resigned Hickey cause they had Toews, Leddy and Pelech. It’s not the complicated.

When they re-signed Hickey, Toews was coming off a year where he missed 2/3 of the AHL season with a shoulder injury. I don't know how high the team was on him at the time, but I don't think it would've been crazy for them to think the 24 year old former 4th rounder coming off a major surgery wasn't necessarily a top prospect to count on.

He was highly regarded the year before. And Hickey wasn’t a better option than Aho. Even Sbisa was better if it was only a year long.

Big disagree, but okay. He's a 3rd pairing D man on any playoff team

I mean he wasn’t during the isles back to back ECF runs. Doesn’t really make sense to argue against that.

Hes drafted very well on LI. Of all the things to criticize him for drafting is not one of them.

What about andrew ladd?

i dont count the dobson wahlstrom draft because he just got there so i think the picks were made but yes they were much better than they were in toronto and NJ

Thats a really bad take. Bc he was building his own draft board in TOR so its not like he didnt know who he wanted and others picked for him.

draft erport were prob bullt up for months, dobson also fell alot

Like his hard work signing ladd? Or how about boychuk? Maybe leddy is who youre talking about? Lou got out of all 3 of those contracts for the price of a single 2nd rounder and richard panik. Give the man some credit. Hes not perfect but hes much better than you say he is. I agree 100% with @calvinklein lou and trotz as well are guys that you bring in for a few years to stabilize things and then turn it over to the people that you hope will deliver a championship. I dont think lou should be kept past this year but not bc i think he did a bad job, i just dont think hes suited for the job that comes next.

Thats my point the draft reports were built up for months so he knew all about the prospects. It wasmt like he came to NYI not knowing anything about them. As for dobson dropping you cant fault a gm for making a good pick. In fact it might look better for him that he had the balls to pick the guy falling.

Really??? Everyone missed on aho and cat even yzerman whos regarded as one of if not the best drafter in the league. Why not mention point and kaprizov once youre at it. Panarin went undrafted and kuch was a 2nd rounder.

He did all that to keep Tavares. The same with the bailey signing. He wasn’t perfect but Lou inherited all of his talent from Snow.

Who tavares? No snow lost tavares lou had no chance of keeping him.

What bailey trade?
And oh speaking of tavares snows biggest failure as gm. Worse than the 1 playoff series win, worse than the ladd signing was losing tavares. Its one thing to lose someone like gaudreau when youre hunting for a cup. Its another to not trade JT when youre way out of it. If JT gets traded we probably have a cup by now.

aho the pick after dermott and carlo was 2 picks after that, debrincat was 6 -7 picks after, nowhere close to the same as comparing guys in the 3rd round, not even remotely close to the same, lou and hunter couldnt draft to save their lives with the leafs, dont tell me otherwise because you dont know, keep blindly beleiving in Lou tho, guys sucked for 10 years

he made the FA pitch

Saying a gm is a bad drafter bc he missed stars that were drafted in the 2nd round is asinine. If thats the standard then there isnt a single good drafter in the league. Also carlo isnt this star player. Hes a solid top 4 RHD.

look at the rest then, all terrible, like i said, dont tell me he drafted well with the leafs, he didnt

Thats very nice whats your point.? JT was always going to TOR no matter what and its on snow for not moving him at the TDL. Trying to spin this onto lou is ridiculous and your obsession with lou having to be the worst gm is slightly concerning.

I love how you just say look at the rest. You dont have any specifics to point to so its just the rest.

I also never said he drafted well with the leafs.