There have never been any reports the Leafs are shopping Kerfoot or anything. It's time for the obsession this place has with it to end. There have been reports on the type of money on the table now for Sandin both from the Leafs and his counter offers and they all come in at or under the $1,400,000 mark Liljegren got which makes a Kerfoot move wholly unnecessary. If someone if being moved for Sandin its going to be Holl which frankly makes sense given the logjam on defense and Sandin's worry about his role.

Beyond Kerfoot not making any sense to move, reports are also coming in now of players who will likely start the year on LTIR which kicks this entire problem down the road. You don't trade players when you are going to need them to start out.

Never said there where reports. It’s just so you guys can sign sandin. If your saying Holl would be moved before kerfoot than I understand what your saying.

It's really never made sense to me why the Leafs would move Kerfoot.

Yeah nobody's said that Dubas is moving Kerfoot; the whole point of ACGM is that idiot fans like us get to theorycraft moves GMs *could* make. The reason why Kerfoot is seen so much in these threads is because it makes a lot of sense and would likely be easy to do. Moving Holl's cap hit on its own isn't enough for Sandin to sign for even league minimum lol. Someone else would have to go. Plus if you move Holl then you have two lefties playing on their offside, which coaches generally don't love to do. Sure starting a player like Muzzin on LTIR buys time but you still have the same problem when you activate him. So expect to keep seeing Kerfoot at least until Dubas makes his move and probably after too lol

Is it a sensible trade

I was more speaking to the logistics/frequency of Kerfoot trades on CapFriendly in general but I don't really see it happening with the Caps and Eller. It doesn't really help them performance-wise or cap-wise, it's more of a lateral move. They're probably better off trading Kerfoot/another player with no salary coming back or doing something else to their roster.

Let me guess, you didn't even bother to look. Moving Holl is enough to not only sign Sandin for league minimum but to sign Aston-Reece to a more realistic contract and carry a 21st man.

Don't see why the caps would do this as the entire point of moving eller would be to free up cap space if/when Wilson and Backstrom return. Kerfoot at this stage is probably a slightly better player, but not worth the extra 1.25M as well as the inflexibility that retaining on trades causes.

I totally forgot about Backstrom being healthy this year

He's probably the easiest player to replace. He's good but if they find a better option for 2LW then he's a luxury we don't really need. Although injuries will happen and having Kerfoot will certainly makes things better. I doubt he gets moved but if he does, it will be for a nice return.

I don't think you'll get a crazy return for him, at least not now. You can probably get more for him at the deadline than you can right now.

Players are never easy to replace. TOR took a hit this off-season losing depth scoring, so moving him and trying to replace 40 to 50 points on the cheap is never easy. You can obviously gamble and hope someone steps up, but that's not always wise. If it were easy to replace players, nobody would ever have any needs.

-CapFriendly shows the Leafs' current 22 man roster to be at $83,993,116.
-Trading away Holl (-$2M) puts the Leafs cap to $81,993,116 which leaves $506,884 in space (uh oh)
-Signing Sandin to just his qualifying offer of $874,125 means the Leafs would be over the cap by $367,241 with a 22 man roster
So no it's not enough

Assuming you also send Clifford and Anderson both down to the AHL (and I don't think either of them are waivers exempt) and then sign ZAR to a league min contract, the Leafs are then left with a 21 man roster and $395,259 in cap space, not enough to call up even a league min player. when your starting goalie is Matt Murray who is pretty much guaranteed to get injured, that is far less than an ideal situation lmao

That's a lot of words for 'you were right'.

If that's the situation you're happy with for the Leafs then I wish you the best of luck this season lol I don't need to split any more hairs over this