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Montreal once offered Kotkaniemi for Jarvis before the offersheet

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 9, 2022
Published: Oct. 9, 2022
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    https://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/pierre-lebrun-le-canadien-a-tente-d-obtenir-seth-jarvis-en-retour-de-jesperi-kotkaniemi-1.16310954
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    1. Bystedt, Filip [Reserve List]
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    1. 2024 2nd round pick (MTL)
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    1. Jarvis, Seth
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    The odds of swapping Kotkaniemi for Jarvis would have been gone from impossible to negligible if Marc Bergevin had any credibility left.
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    1. Bystedt, Filip
    2. Engström, Adam [Reserve List]
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    Oct. 9, 2022 at 6:13 p.m.
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    Its not as good as it seems. The Canadiens would have given Slafkovsky for Dvorak in the aftermath
    Oct. 9, 2022 at 6:27 p.m.
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    Yeah, I think we all know why Waddell opted to use the offer sheet now.
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    Oct. 9, 2022 at 6:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: MTL_stats
    Its not as good as it seems. The Canadiens would have given Slafkovsky for Dvorak in the aftermath


    Image trading pick 1 for Dvorak
    Oct. 9, 2022 at 6:49 p.m.
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    Habs were also offered a first, third, and any prospect not named Jarvis for KK, but here we are.
    Oct. 9, 2022 at 7:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: evelutions2
    Habs were also offered a first, third, and any prospect not named Jarvis for KK, but here we are.


    Where do you see that?
    Oct. 9, 2022 at 8:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    Where do you see that?


    That was the package the Canes were trying to offer for KK before they made the offer sheet.
    Oct. 9, 2022 at 8:13 p.m.
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    Honestly, I have no idea what I just looked at with this post.
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    Oct. 9, 2022 at 8:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac555
    Honestly, I have no idea what I just looked at with this post.


    That's because the link to the article is in French.
    Oct. 9, 2022 at 8:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: evelutions2
    That was the package the Canes were trying to offer for KK before they made the offer sheet.


    Im asking where is that information?
    Oct. 9, 2022 at 8:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: evelutions2
    Habs were also offered a first, third, and any prospect not named Jarvis for KK, but here we are.


    Imagine if they got like Suzuki on top of the 1st, 3rd. That would have been much more worth it
    Oct. 9, 2022 at 8:43 p.m.
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    I didn’t even click on the link, and there are a tremendous amount of resources to translate French to English…I will assume positive intent with your comment and hope it wasn’t a negative comment made towards me.

    I really didn’t get why any of this would have happened with a trade that never would have happened. The Canes sound like they offered the lame duck GM draft picks for KK while telling them they would OS KK. Habs called a bluff and lost the player for a 1st and 3rd. Not sure where Jarvis comes into this.

    Quoting: sensonfire
    That's because the link to the article is in French.
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    Oct. 9, 2022 at 9:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    Im asking where is that information?


    I couldn’t tell you. I have had so much other stuff on my plate since I saw that, I honestly don’t remember where I saw it.
    Oct. 10, 2022 at 3:10 a.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac555
    I didn’t even click on the link, and there are a tremendous amount of resources to translate French to English…I will assume positive intent with your comment and hope it wasn’t a negative comment made towards me.

    I really didn’t get why any of this would have happened with a trade that never would have happened. The Canes sound like they offered the lame duck GM draft picks for KK while telling them they would OS KK. Habs called a bluff and lost the player for a 1st and 3rd. Not sure where Jarvis comes into this.


    Canes offered 1st and 3rd for KK, or they'd offer sheet him.

    Habs then asked for Jarvis or no deal.

    Canes sent the offer sheet and KK signed it.
    Oct. 10, 2022 at 8:17 a.m.
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    Good work by GMMB if true. Can’t wait for KK to put up 70 points as our 2C this year, and his 4.82m AAV to look like a bargain for the next 8 years.

    Quoting: LIRIK
    Canes offered 1st and 3rd for KK, or they'd offer sheet him.

    Habs then asked for Jarvis or no deal.

    Canes sent the offer sheet and KK signed it.
    Oct. 10, 2022 at 2:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac555
    Good work by GMMB if true. Can’t wait for KK to put up 70 points as our 2C this year, and his 4.82m AAV to look like a bargain for the next 8 years.


    I wouldn't put money on that...
    Oct. 10, 2022 at 4:15 p.m.
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    I wish I could, the odds I’d get would make it worth my time

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    I wouldn't put money on that...
    Oct. 11, 2022 at 1:08 a.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac555
    Good work by GMMB if true. Can’t wait for KK to put up 70 points as our 2C this year, and his 4.82m AAV to look like a bargain for the next 8 years.


    What if he can't get more than 40 points a season for the next 8 years, like he did for the last 4?
    Oct. 11, 2022 at 8:43 a.m.
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    Well then, that would be an issue. I’m guessing that isn’t going to be an issue.

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    What if he can't get more than 40 points a season for the next 8 years, like he did for the last 4?
    Oct. 11, 2022 at 12:11 p.m.
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    Anyone taking count of the angry Habs fans with KK takes? If so, another participant…

    I heard an interview with HC RBA that said they treated last year like KK was a rookie, because he needed development. What was happening with the Habs for the first three years?

    You comment on it like he’s a failure…he’s a great player coming into his own and is just 21.

    What’s your take about on Slak? I hope Habs don’t stunt the growth of another top pick.

    Quoting: LIRIK
    What if he can't get more than 40 points a season for the next 8 years, like he did for the last 4?
    Oct. 12, 2022 at 2:08 a.m.
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    Quoting: GroinPucker
    Anyone taking count of the angry Habs fans with KK takes? If so, another participant…

    I heard an interview with HC RBA that said they treated last year like KK was a rookie, because he needed development. What was happening with the Habs for the first three years?

    You comment on it like he’s a failure…he’s a great player coming into his own and is just 21.

    What’s your take about on Slak? I hope Habs don’t stunt the growth of another top pick.


    KK should have played 1-2 more year in Europe before coming to the NHL. Also, Habs reached to pick him, he was ranked somewhere between 7-10.

    Not saying he's a failure, i was just answering to someone saying GMMB made a mistake because KK will score 70 points this year, and my answer was what if he only scores 40?

    As for Slafkovsky, at 6'3 238 pounds, he's already the heaviest forward in the league and still have room to grow. He's NHL ready, but need another year or two to produce points.

    Once he's good enough to play with Suzuki and Caufield, he's gonna be the power forward they need. I don't care if he scores 50 or 80 points. Just do the dirty work.
    Oct. 17, 2022 at 10:01 p.m.
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    hey. im sorry for how things are going rn. let me help you. i can get us out of it. remember even tho you have the crown, i made the league
    Oct. 18, 2022 at 10:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caufield
    Its not as good as it seems. The Canadiens would have given Slafkovsky for Dvorak in the aftermath


    Quoting: FanOfAllTeams
    Image trading pick 1 for Dvorak


    Just like the original Dvo trade
    There would be a top 10 protection, which wouldn't be bad
    Oct. 18, 2022 at 10:30 p.m.
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    hey. im sorry for how things are going rn. let me help you. i can get us out of it. remember even tho you have the crown, i made the league


    League is deleted
    Oct. 18, 2022 at 10:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
    League is deleted


    awesome. you wanna join the new one?

    also sens thats pretty messed up that you deleted the league without my permission and that you banned me twice
    Oct. 18, 2022 at 10:32 p.m.
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    awesome. you wanna join the new one?

    also sens thats pretty messed up that you deleted the league without my permission and that you banned me twice


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