nucks can just get him off waivers

Gonna cost way more then a mid round pick to make it fair

The ask is Hoglander and that's why Bear hasn't been traded. It's a ridiculous ask for a healthy scratch that's getting paid 2.2mil.

Mayybeeee Bear + 2nd for Hoglander but I doubt the Canucks accept that either.

False statement since he’s not on waivers

It’s not the Canes fault they have 8 defensemen who would all play top 4 mins for the Canucks

Chatfield used to play in Van and wasn't a top 4 dman. Bear is hardly any different than Poolman, Dermott, burroughs, juulsen or whatever else bottom pair/depth dmen the Canucks have.

Canucks defense is trash yes. Bear still isn't an upgrade on any of them it's just another body providing the same thing.

Hoglander has already been sent down this year once... AHL filler for a healthy scratch seems about fair

He was papered down for a day for cap purposes. Never got actually sent down.

Even if he was an AHLer, why trade him for another overpaid depth dman?

If Carolina wants to move bear they likely take a similar contract back which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see him in waivers eventually so they can have some additional cap space.

Bear is different than those players because he can actually generate offense…and yes, Chatfield would be your 2 RHD right now.

He would be behind Schenn and Myers so no he wouldn't.

Bear is not good. Nobody wants his contract in a flat cap and that's why he hasn't been moved.

If you think Bear is overpaid or a depth D man, you're clueless. Bear is a top 6 D whose simply being asset protected. He put a trade request in this summer, had long term covid and a fractured ankle last year that he was trying to play through. He's a genuine top 6 D man. A middle six winger on an ELC is not a ridiculous ask.

He's a bottom pair/depth dman that makes 2.2mil. In the flat cap teams don't want to pay that price to fill that role.

I'm not clueless, you're over valuing a player that's only value is the fact he's a RHD.

Take a step back and realize you used Tyler Myers and Luke Schenn as the examples in your retort….but hey, to each his own

Pretty easy decline for vancouver. Hoglander is 4 years younger and has proven well in his time in the NHL. Potential still there.

Bear is a bottom 4 d-man. Not a really a needle mover.

I'm not saying Schenn and Myers are any good but Chatfield, bear, Poolman, burroughs, juulsen, Dermott, and on and on aren't any better.

Why trade a promising young player for more of the same crap? Bear isn't going to make any difference to the Canucks d core he's just going to be another body providing more or less the same thing.

For the record, I didn’t say that the Canucks should make this trade. I made a comment on the statement you made that Bears value was low because he was a healthy scratch…

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess

Yes and his value is low because he's a healthy scratch.

If he had value he would have been traded by now.

Are you okay? McDavid has value. So why hasn't he been traded? That's the entire logic you're deploying here. The answer is that no one has met the Canes valuation. He's got value, undoubtedly. He's signed to a decent deal for a bottom-pairing D man and he can play top 4 minutes. He's CLEARLY got value.

Lmao is McDavid a healthy scratch every game? No. Is McDavid a bottom pair/depth dman getting paid 2.2mil to sit in the press box? No.

Don't be an idiot.

He has very low value if any at all.

Bear isn't a healthy scratch, he's being trade protected. He's a top 6 D man on ANY other D core in the league, he's a top 4 D man on a lot of them. Don't be an idiot.

Lmao the mental gymnastics.

He's a healthy scratch.

He's literally not. There's a reason he's being trade-protected. You're just refusing to acknowledge facts to fit your agenda.

Hahahahah you're ridiculous man. He's not being trade protected by being a healthy scratch for the majority of the past 40 games. They don't want him in the lineup.

You're the only one spinning a consistent healthy scratch bottom dman as being "trade protected" to fit your agenda.

He's not good enough to be in the lineup. That's that.