Toews is playing well and 3rd and 4th is a really paltry return for him - doubly so if CHI is retaining 50%.

Similarly it's going to cost SJS a lot more than a 1st and 2nd to get someone to eat that horrendous Vlasic deal, but CHI would probably start listening there.

SJ isn't going to pay a 1st to dump Vlasic. They'll keep playing him and then buy him out at some point. There's no reason to open up cap space if they're not going to be competitive anyway

So if it’s at the deadline COL doesn’t need retention. EJ I guarantee blocks that. And COL isn’t moving the 23 1st for a straight rental. Now you want to do Kane for the 24 1st sure.

The thing about toews is that he may start to get worse and Chicago does san jose by not getting a lot back because they have few draft picks and they are rebuilding. They still get a decent deal with San jose no matter what.

Firstly, Johnson doesn't waive to go to Chicago. He's almost certainly going to retire as an Av. Anyhow, the Avs probably don't want to get Kane. He's a great offensive player and definitely fits the Avs game with strong, fast skating, but he is trash defensively, isn't a center, and can't kill penalties, all things the Avs need.

Plus, even if we were to trade for Kane, it probably would be the 2023 1st, one of Beaucage or Meyers, and maybe some cap coming back (Compher?) with a lower pick (3rd?), and then again, Sakic won't let go of Compher, he loves him like you wouldn't believe.

I know Kane is awesome but YEEESH that’s a huge return

Ehh I disagree, the 2023 1st has a substantial amount of value, could help us keep our prospects like Olausson and Behrens more easily. We're all-in and should keep our later 1sts unless we need to move them, IMO, once we see how deep the drafts will be.

I agree with everything but the PK. Come playoffs we will have Nuch, Lehk, Helm, Cogs, LoC, Landy and JTC to be competent pk forwards. I think center depth is the main focus atm. Things can change by tdl.

This is the deepest draft since 2015. The Avs have basically traded away every pick in the 2022 and 2023 drafts except for the 1st. It will sting a lot down the road if COL has a gaping massive development whole with no prospects because there were none taken. COL did all in last year, need to have some faith that a full season of Manson, Lehkonen, and Byram and continued development of Newhook along with Georgiev can at least bridge some of that Kadri, Burakovsky, Kuemper production. I mean sometimes you just have to dance with who you brought.

I agree, but I also think a play driving winger to stick with Newhook and push Lehkonen to the 3rd line creates a pretty dang solid bottom 6 of Compher Rodrigues Lehkonen on the 3rd and Cogs Helm LOC on the 4th if everybody is healthy

You basically just described Toews. Center, kills penalties, strong two way game. Same price (dollars, not trade value) as Kane with less coming back to Hawks and he’s having a strong offensive year. It’d be a good fit for what you’re describing.

Toews also isn’t going to Columbus. They’re worse than the Hawks so I don’t see them upgrading to Toews and I doubt he waives for them.

Hawks decline all of these

I think this is just a difference in how we see things long-term. I'm willing to tank if it means we can get a few overpowered teams, obviously there are futurish-current assets we shouldn't move (Newhook, Byram) due to cap reasons, but I don't see a reason why we shouldn't go all-in while we have a window with MacKinnon, Makar, etc. Sure, we may deplete our prospect pool, but for a few more years, we can be contenders.

Vlasic is a easy buy out after this season. no need to trade him

COL doesn’t do that deal. They aren’t desperate enough to need to move two 1sts for a Kane rental