This is what I had suggested this offseason

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Created by: TMLBRIAN

Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 5, 2022

Published: Nov. 5, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

My suggestion this offseason was:

Trade Marner (33m in 3 players is too much. That is the only reason why I suggested to trade him)
Trade Kerfoot + Holl before the deadline for picks, for the cap space.
Use the cap space to get bigger and more physical.
I thought Kane and JT Miller would be great additions up front and thought they could reasonably be had.
The Marner trade getting Wilson is a longshot. But teams would have paid a lot for him.
Getting Schenn as a 6-8 dman would be perfect.
Roy could have maybe been had since LA has so many right D men. But I know LA loves him. A guy like Mayfield could also be a viable option and a more likely option.
I thought they should go for Kuemper as their number one option and they had the money to do it. I had Fleury as number 2.

This team is more balance, bigger, stronger and still very skilled.

This is the route I would have taken if I were GM.

Lines can be constructed 400 different ways, so don't put too much stock in those.

Thoughts?

Free Agent Signings

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Kane, Evander		5	$5,500,000
Kuemper, Darcy		5	$5,500,000

Trades

TOR

Hathaway, Garnet
Wilson, Tom
2023 1st round pick (WSH)

WSH

Marner, Mitchell

TOR

2023 2nd round pick (WSH)

Additional Details:

before deadline to a team

WSH

Kerfoot, Alexander

TOR

2025 3rd round pick (OTT)

OTT

Holl, Justin

Additional Details:

before deadline to a team,

TOR

no.

OTT

Murray, Matt
2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
2024 7th round pick (OTT)

Additional Details:

no.

TOR

Not signed. I like the player but I think we needed the cap for bigger and more physical players.

OTT

Järnkrok, Calle

TOR

Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
Schenn, Luke

VAN

Engvall, Pierre
Niemelä, Topi
2023 1st round pick (TOR)
2023 3rd round pick (TOR)

TOR

Roy, Matt

LAK

Hirvonen, Roni
2023 1st round pick (WSH)
2025 3rd round pick (TOR)

TOR

Stepan, Derek

Additional Details:

signed

CAR

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$83,303,247	$212,500	$0	-$803,247

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Bunting, Michael $950,000$950,000 LW UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 2	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 2
Kane, Evander $5,500,000$5,500,000	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 3	Wilson, Tom $5,166,667$5,166,667 RW M-NTC UFA - 2
Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 LW, RW RFA - 2	Miller, J.T. $2,625,000$2,625,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Hathaway, Garnet $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Aston-Reese, Zach $840,630$840,630 LW, RW UFA - 1	Kämpf, David $1,500,000$1,500,000 C UFA - 1	Stepan, Derek $750,000$750,000 C, RW UFA - 1
	Steeves, Alex $834,167$834,167 LW, RW RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 8		Kuemper, Darcy $5,500,000$5,500,000
Sandin, Rasmus $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD UFA - 2	Roy, Matt $3,150,000$3,150,000 RD UFA - 2	Samsonov, Ilya $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 1
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 2	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NTC UFA - 2	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 2
	Schenn, Luke $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 1

Nov. 5, 2022 at 2:29 p.m.

tkecanuck341

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Roy was not and is not available.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 2:32 p.m.

coga16

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Evander Kane never made it to market,
Vancouver was looking for a larger return than that for them to trade miller in the offseason
Capitals have 0 indication they would be interested in any of those moves, they arent open to moving Wilson etc

Nov. 5, 2022 at 2:34 p.m.

TMLBRIAN

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Roy was not and is not available.

read the description.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 2:38 p.m.

TMLBRIAN

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Quoting: coga16

I believe Kane was allowed to talk to other teams and did. I could be wrong on this but I am quite confiedent.
I think my offers for MIller this off season were a little stronger than this one. Maybe add a 2nd. Niemela is a nice piece.
I figured about Wilson. Just what I wanted. I did write in my description that it was probably not probable but that Marner would fetch a nice return regardless. Would have opened up their cap quite a bit.
The Kerfoot deal could have been any team. I based it around the Connor Brown to Washington trade. I assume Washington would have also offered that 2nd to Toronto for Kerfoot. Leafs just didn't do it and then the deal was off the table once they got Brown.

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Nov. 5, 2022 at 2:42 p.m.

coga16

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

but he never made it to market, he signed with the oilers before becoming a free agent, he was never an option to sign
the 1st and Niemelä is just not the high end pieces they were looking for. If thats all they wanted, he would have been traded in the offseason. Engvall as a pending UFA offers little to no value to them, it's a throw in.

Brown is way more coveted than Kerfoot. They dont hold the same value.
Wilson is just a non starter, cant suggest an offseason possible move that is not even available on the trade market

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Nov. 5, 2022 at 2:44 p.m.

The_Rocket

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Canucks aren’t trading luke schenn

Nov. 5, 2022 at 2:53 p.m.

capsfan2121

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nope.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 2:55 p.m.

MoSeider53

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Evander Kane and Darcy Kuemper were never going to sign with Toronto, What a joke.

You trade Mitch Marner for Tom Wilson and Garnet Hathaway, What part of Tom Wilson being out for most of the season don't you understand?

Talk about pure trash offer for J. T. Miller and Luke Schenn. That hardly gets Miller let alone adding schenn to the mix.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 2:56 p.m.

palhal

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It's a silly scenario trading 11m Marner for 5.2m Wilson. How does that work with Washington cap. I agree you that Marner should have been traded but plunking his high cap on a team just may not work.
Sure Kane looks good now...but do you really want him for five years.?
I'm not sure when these Kerfoot and Holl trades took place by your post.
Miller....OK that might be good trade for this year. But certainly there is would no cap for him to be extended, and even extending him may not be a good idea.
I agree with you about Jarnkrok....Gee 2.1m X 4 for a bottom ender....Guys like that are 1.2m players.
Murray...Leafs were so fortunate to get out from Mrzarek's contract then they ruin it by trade for 4.7M X 2 Murray. I lot better goalies available. I wouldn't signed Kuemper. Love the Samsonov signing and I thought Comrie at 1.8m was a steal by the Sabres.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 3:05 p.m.

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tkecanuck341

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

read the description.

I did. I read this:

"Roy could have maybe been had..."

I'm telling you there was absolutely no chance.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 3:09 p.m.

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OldNYIfan

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Contrary to what a few of my fellow Kings adherents firmly believe, Roy for Sandin and a 2023 first is still a possibility, although remote. The actual professionals in the Los Angeles front office might have as high an opinion of Sandin's upside as his fans in Leafs Nation do. But his half-hearted holdout might be a negative sign.

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Nov. 5, 2022 at 3:14 p.m.

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TMLBRIAN

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Quoting: coga16

He never made it to market because Edmonton offered him the most in conversations with teams. I offered him 250k more a year and added an extra year. He would have made it to market if the conversations he was having trended in that direciton.
Kerfoot and Brown definitely have similar value and have played very similar roles. Look at how their are utilized and how they have done throughout their career and their contract. All very similar.

As for Wilson, I did mention that was a longshot. My main suggestion was that they trade Marner for size, physicality and cap flexibility. The Wilson trade was my perfect scenario although very unlikely.

Yes Miller my package here for Miller and Schenn may not have been enough. I would have tried to make a deal work though. I suggested adding a 2nd. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, High End RD prospect and a serviceable player going back for cap purposes. Still may be short but I would have went hard for him and Schenn this offseason.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 3:16 p.m.

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coga16

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

You never had a chance to sign him, he was never an option. It's a non starter, you cant sign a guy who never made it to market.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 3:16 p.m.

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TMLBRIAN

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

I don't think the Leafs should trade Sandin at all. He has very high end potential. But I see why LA doesn't move Roy without him included.

I think think Chychryun to LA is possible in a few months!

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Nov. 5, 2022 at 3:18 p.m.

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TMLBRIAN

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Quoting: coga16

You never had a chance to sign him, he was never an option. It's a non starter, you cant sign a guy who never made it to market.

I said in my first post to your comments that I believe he was aloud to talk to other teams before July 13th. I could be wrong on that but I believe that to be true.

If he liked what he was hearing from those talks, he would have 100% made it to market. If I were GM I would have made a very enticing offer for him to in fact go to market.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 3:20 p.m.

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coga16

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

He never made it to market my man, it doesnt matter. he wanted to stay in Edmonton, he wanted to play with McDavid.
It's a non starter, you cant sign a guy who never made it to free agency who wanted to stay in Edmonton to play with McDavid. Full stop

Nov. 5, 2022 at 5:09 p.m.

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I'd think Canucks accept that, at this point.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.

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audiodave

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Quoting: Turkish_Canuck

I'd think Canucks accept that, at this point.

You may have given up on this season, but the Canucks haven't.

Nov. 5, 2022 at 7:50 p.m.

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Turkish_Canuck

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Quoting: audiodave

You may have given up on this season, but the Canucks haven't.

To me it's more about management realising they've made an error signing Miller over Bo in the summer

Nov. 5, 2022 at 9:27 p.m.

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audiodave

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Quoting: Turkish_Canuck

To me it's more about management realising they've made an error signing Miller over Bo in the summer

There's no reason they can't sign Horvat as well, he's not a free agent until July 1st.

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