Detroit doesn't need retention on Timo Meier, Once healthy we will have close to $30,000,000 at the TDL. And we're not interested in moving Berggren. he's turning out to be as good as advertised.

Replace Berggren, drop the retention, and then its in line to be fair and mutually beneficial. Erne prob isnt needed either, apparently Y is weirdly attached to having him around anyways.

I think it's safe to Berggren isn't going anywhere and Detroit won't be buying at the TDL.

Can anyone explain to me how this is an overpay for Meier? Berggren is looking decent but he's not some superstar in the making. If anything Detroit adds Cossa or their 1st to make this fair. A collection of mediocrity doesn't get you Meier

Might be better to read the sentence before you come at me guns-a-blazing.
I'm saying to replace Berggren with a similarly valued prospect that has less of a spot on Detroits system.

It is fair, its just not quite the right structure.

Erne and the retention aren't realistic to Detroit, and Berggren has caught his stride lately. Detroit has lots of other valuable pieces that would make more sense to give up here.

Ok so what you are saying is that Ruzicka, Dube, Zadorov, and a pair of 2nds is fair for Timo Meier from my teams perspective? Can't imagine San Jose would ever bite on that

For it to be mutually beneficial, SJ at least needs one guy who has a high chance of turning into a PPG player. I don't know if that's Berggren or someone else but that's kind of the minimum.

They are actually going to want two pieces that can potentially replace Meier or be as good.

And why does SJ care that much about retention? They’ll take the best deal (with or without retention); retention just increases the price (maybe a 3rd) for buyer

I've seen so many severe overpays for Meier that assessing "fair" is difficult. It's refreshing to see someone not demanding the moon and more for Meier, because he was really overrated on here for a while.
That said, I do think Berggren is a pretty high tier asset, so asking an equivalent would still be pretty valuable. I don't know Detroits system to know what that replacement would be. But they should have it.

Pelletier, Dube and a 1st is a more in-line calgary comparable... Detroit shouldn't be moving firsts at this time. If they do it would structure similarly to Debrincat's trade.

How is that more in line? Roughly speaking:
Ruzicka = Berggren
Dube = Zadina (this is being generous considering his production this year)
Zadorov = Erne

Meier should return roughly similar to DeBrincat, probably a bit less since you don't get the full season

Thank you.

Well considering Berggren has been among one of Detroit top prospects for a few years now. Be equivalent to Pelletier or Zary in Calgary, that's how he is viewed in Detroit.

Being one of Detroit's top prospects has nothing to do with Calgary's top prospects, not that Ruzicka hasn't been one of Calgary's top prospects for a few years now either. Reality is that he's 1 year younger than Ruzicka and producing at the NHL level at a slightly lower rate than him so far as a rookie. Both are also generally playing in depth roles too. Pelletier is still playing in the AHL.

Still doesn't change the fact that you decided to add a 1st to your "similar proposal" when there is no 1st i nthe OP's proposal (edit Wqrrior's similar proposal, not yours)

Debrincat is a better finisher but timo is the higher impact player by far

You're getting SJ's best player, one of the top power forwards in the game and you suggested that Zadina and two 2nds lands you Timo Meier. That's absolutely ridiculous.

You're missing my point.
I'm NOT saying REMOVE Beggren, I'm saying to use someone else who has EQUAL value in his spot.

That's Zadina, 2 2nds AND some valuable prospect.

It doesn't happen without Berggren. The fact that you covet him makes me think anyone else would be less valuable. As you're getting our best player, we get who we want and that's Berggren. That's my point you're not getting.

I dont agree with that, Timo is bigger but Cat has an excellent 2-way game

I'm not a Red Wings fan. I have no clue who the equal value substitution would be. Its just very rare that a team trades someone whilst they are trending up so rapidly. I think DET does this trade regardless, but I believe they'd start negotiations with someone else logically.

This is not enough for Meier. Also, an extension would be necessary if Detroit is to make a deal like this.

I can guarantee you Timo won’t be moved in a deal that doesn’t include at least a 1st round pick or a elite prospect or both.

Timo has an excellent two game. Hits, forechecks and backchecks like a monster, is top of the league in shot volume, has 13 power play goals (cat has 6) timo has more than twice as many hits. Sorry but you are wrong.

Ah yes the 25 game sample size vs the 3+ year sample size. Really man?

Meier's 2-way game is ok, but far from excellent here is the 2 of them compared over the last 3 seasons