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Stuck In The Mushy Middle

Created by: dannibalcorpse
Team: 2022-23 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 10, 2023
Published: Jan. 10, 2023
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The Islanders are aggressively mediocre this year, after being aggressively mediocre last year, and are firmly on the playoff bubble this year. I'm not saying they should tear it all down (it's pretty impossible to do that with the contracts on this team) but there are players they can move that could get them some decent assets back to help rebuild a farm system that's consistently been ranked in the bottom quarter of the league. For each trade I'll try and justify the need and offer a comp that shows where I'm pulling that value from.

Lines are based on everyone being healthy, obviously. Skarek is a little iffy to me as Sorokin's backup, but honestly this team can still stick around the playoff bubble - something I'd consider a win-win in a retooling year.
Trades
1.
NYI
  1. Forsmark, Simon [Reserve List]
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
COMP: Josh Manson deal from last year's deadline. Avs sent a 2nd rounder and Drew Helleson, regarded as a B/B+ prospect. Forsmark fits that description.
CAR
  1. Mayfield, Scott ($725,000 retained)
Additional Details:
NEED: Hurricanes have been getting next to nothing out of the Chatfield/Coghlan combo at RD3. Retaining Mayfield down to $725K keeps the Canes under the cap once Ondrej Kase comes off LTIR.
2.
NYI
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (VGK)
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (VGK)
Additional Details:
NEED: Vegas is playing Mike Amadio for 12+ minutes every night. Parise might be older, but he's got the same cap hit and can play all 3 phases of the game.
VGK
  1. Parise, Zach
Additional Details:
COMP: Calle Jarnkrok cast a similar profile at last year's deadline - middle-6 winger who can PK & get PP2 time.
Retained down to $1M, the Flames gave up a 2nd/3rd/7th for a guy who had put up a 12-14-26 line in 49 GP - Parise is at 12-7-19 in 41 GP so far.
3.
NYI
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Moynihan, Patrick [Reserve List]
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
NEED: As obvious a need as any in the league - the Devils are contenders but their current tandem is incredibly inexperienced in the playoffs (Vanecek has 3 starts: .855 SV% & 4.25 GAA in those.) Varly is a career .919 in 58 playoff starts - just what the Devils need to make some noise in the spring.
NJD
  1. Varlamov, Semyon ($2,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
COMP: MAF trade - that 2nd becomes a 1st based on whatever arcane advancement/playing time conditions you want to place on it (I think winning 2 rounds with Varlamov starting 50.1% of the games is a good start.) Johansson comes along to make the cap work and brings along Moynihan as thanks for the favor.
Buyouts
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$80,329,130$245,796$670,000$2,170,870
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RW
RFA - 1
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$750,000$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
C
UFA - 5
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
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$6,150,000$6,150,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 8
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD
RFA - 3
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
RFA - 3
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$764,167$764,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
G
RFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.
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Devils can definitely accept that
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.
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i'd go with schneider as the backup and then if anyone like hellberg or whoever winds up on waivers they can grab them
Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:16 p.m.
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Hellesson is a righty and is/was supposed to be closer to NHL ready than Forsmark. Also I don’t like the Varly deal given the fact they are retaining 50% and taking back a buried contract for a second round pick. Personally I’ve been toying with a Varly and Salo to LAK deal where the isles get back a righty d prospect, a backup goalie and Iafallo. I’m just trying to figure out what fair value would be.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:17 p.m.
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Quoting: bagelbob
i'd go with schneider as the backup and then if anyone like hellberg or whoever winds up on waivers they can grab them


Agreed. Skarek has looked the part of an NHL goaltender in the pre season, but his stat line in Bridgeport says otherwise.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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Can get Reimer for less. Devs should make the playoffs but how far will they get? Varly if they were a fav, this deal is better suited for next yr. I think they will be using their picks this yer to land a winger in the Timo Meier mold.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:23 p.m.
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Quoting: bagelbob
i'd go with schneider as the backup and then if anyone like hellberg or whoever winds up on waivers they can grab them


Part of me wants to see what the kid has - Schneider is basically a player-coach at this point, so getting Skarek some NHL time lets you figure out if you need to actively pursue a backup goalie this summer or not. But yeah, not necessarily a dealbreaker in my eyes.

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Hellesson is a righty and is/was supposed to be closer to NHL ready than Forsmark. Also I don’t like the Varly deal given the fact they are retaining 50% and taking back a buried contract for a second round pick. Personally I’ve been toying with a Varly and Salo to LAK deal where the isles get back a righty d prospect, a backup goalie and Iafallo. I’m just trying to figure out what fair value would be.


The 2nd would be a conditional 1st, like the MAF deal from last year - and I think this Devils team has a much better shot of getting to the conference final than last year's Wild team did. You take back Johansson to make the cap work, and Moynihan was a name out of a hat prospect - if the Devils were open to one of their mid-tier D prospects being included, I'd take that. The issue with trading Varlamov is his NTC - who even knows if he'd want to go out to LA. I'd wager that all the tri-state teams are *not* on his NTC, seeing as he really wouldn't need to uproot in the middle of the year - he just would have a slightly different commute. I also think Iafallo is a weird guy to target on the Kings - his production basically mimics what you're already getting out of Beauvillier.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Smitty426
Can get Reimer for less. Devs should make the playoffs but how far will they get? Varly if they were a fav, this deal is better suited for next yr. I think they will be using their picks this yer to land a winger in the Timo Meier mold.


Reimer has 10 career starts in the playoffs - and 7 of them came literally a decade ago. I agree that he'll cost less, but there's a reason for it - Varlamov is a guy who will be much more valuable to a team with playoff aspirations.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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Part of me wants to see what the kid has - Schneider is basically a player-coach at this point, so getting Skarek some NHL time lets you figure out if you need to actively pursue a backup goalie this summer or not. But yeah, not necessarily a dealbreaker in my eyes.



The 2nd would be a conditional 1st, like the MAF deal from last year - and I think this Devils team has a much better shot of getting to the conference final than last year's Wild team did. You take back Johansson to make the cap work, and Moynihan was a name out of a hat prospect - if the Devils were open to one of their mid-tier D prospects being included, I'd take that. The issue with trading Varlamov is his NTC - who even knows if he'd want to go out to LA. I'd wager that all the tri-state teams are *not* on his NTC, seeing as he really wouldn't need to uproot in the middle of the year - he just would have a slightly different commute. I also think Iafallo is a weird guy to target on the Kings - his production basically mimics what you're already getting out of Beauvillier.


Iafallo has like 15 points in 20 games. It’s not a comparison imo. Also he’s a NY guy so you know that influenced my take lol.

As for prospects in NJ, the easy answer is I want Reilly Walsh. He isn’t gonna beat out Nemec next year, but he’s a totally capable third pair option imo.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.
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Canes firmly pass. Mayfield is fine but he is what de Haan is. Big, strong physical defenseman that isn't the most mobile. Chatfield (whose played the bulk of the games at RD) is the polar opposite as a guy that cannot do anything but will beat you up and down the ice. They need a better mobile defenseman, not a better physical defenseman. Good idea, wrong player.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:59 p.m.
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Yea I think that’s more than fair for Valrlamov. Might even expect more going the Isles way because it inlcudes a cap dump
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 1:23 p.m.
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Yea I think that’s more than fair for Valrlamov. Might even expect more going the Isles way because it inlcudes a cap dump


That's why I threw Moynihan in there - at the end of the day, if this is a deadline deal, Johansson's deal is gonna cost pennies in terms of real money (his bonus was 70% of his pay this year), and I think teams that are moving higher cap players are going to be more open to taking back cap in this flat-cap world. I'd be all in on turning Patrick Moynihan into a Reilly Walsh if you think that's still fair.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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I like that trade
Jan. 10, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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Reimer has 10 career starts in the playoffs - and 7 of them came literally a decade ago. I agree that he'll cost less, but there's a reason for it - Varlamov is a guy who will be much more valuable to a team with playoff aspirations.


Varly wont be the starter so its not worth the return. Honestly if they don't move Blackwood, we dont even need a backup.
1. Vitek, 2. Blackwood 3. Schmid
Jan. 10, 2023 at 1:56 p.m.
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Quoting: myboykole
I like that trade


I think it would depend on Parise saying he wants to go chase a cup with the Knights - he doesn't have an NTC but I don't think Lou's gonna move him if Parise wants to stay in NY.

Quoting: Smitty426
Varly wont be the starter so its not worth the return. Honestly if they don't move Blackwood, we dont even need a backup.
1. Vitek, 2. Blackwood 3. Schmid


That trio has a combined 3 playoff starts between them - all Vanecek - and he put up an .855 SV% with a 4.25 GAA in those three games. I know the Devils are ahead of schedule, but I would think you'd want to have some sort of veteran depth back there in case of injury or ineffectiveness.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 2:03 p.m.
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True
Jan. 10, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Smitty426
Varly wont be the starter so its not worth the return. Honestly if they don't move Blackwood, we dont even need a backup.
1. Vitek, 2. Blackwood 3. Schmid


As a Devils fan I have to disagree with your assessment here. Schmid is still to young and to inexperienced to be trusted in the postseason. I like the progress he made this year but we're still not at a point were we can trust him to be a sure bet for us. As with Blackwood.. Consistency is just to big an issue with him.

Varlamov would boost our chances of making some damage in the playoffs massively. He has shown that he can give a team average or even above average goaltending with consistency. And if the price is what is proposed here Devils would be stupid to not pull the trigger. Johnsson isn't trusted by management/ coaching staff anymore (so he has no value to us anymore) and Moynihan probably won't get a contract from the Devils anyways. And the pick is a late 2nd if we manage to get in..

Long story short: Devils would be stupid to not make this deal if that's what it takes. And since they don't give up any valuable assets and even open up some capspace there would still be room for someone like Timo.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 2:45 p.m.
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
I think it would depend on Parise saying he wants to go chase a cup with the Knights - he doesn't have an NTC but I don't think Lou's gonna move him if Parise wants to stay in NY.



That trio has a combined 3 playoff starts between them - all Vanecek - and he put up an .855 SV% with a 4.25 GAA in those three games. I know the Devils are ahead of schedule, but I would think you'd want to have some sort of veteran depth back there in case of injury or ineffectiveness.


Fitz doesn't want rentals. I think part of that is posturing but I dont see a big move in G
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 2:50 p.m.
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As a Devils fan I have to disagree with your assessment here. Schmid is still to young and to inexperienced to be trusted in the postseason. I like the progress he made this year but we're still not at a point were we can trust him to be a sure bet for us. As with Blackwood.. Consistency is just to big an issue with him.

Varlamov would boost our chances of making some damage in the playoffs massively. He has shown that he can give a team average or even above average goaltending with consistency. And if the price is what is proposed here Devils would be stupid to not pull the trigger. Johnsson isn't trusted by management/ coaching staff anymore (so he has no value to us anymore) and Moynihan probably won't get a contract from the Devils anyways. And the pick is a late 2nd if we manage to get in..

Long story short: Devils would be stupid to not make this deal if that's what it takes. And since they don't give up any valuable assets and even open up some capspace there would still be room for someone like Timo.


I would not give this years second, if they would consider next years sure. As constructed the Devs loftiest goals are the 2nd round and exit. They are not built yet for PO's, its as much attrition as it is talent, one we have the ability to do, the other not yet. As such a 2nd this yr is not worth it imo
Jan. 10, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.
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I would not give this years second, if they would consider next years sure. As constructed the Devs loftiest goals are the 2nd round and exit. They are not built yet for PO's, its as much attrition as it is talent, one we have the ability to do, the other not yet. As such a 2nd this yr is not worth it imo


If they make the postseason we talk about pick #49 at worst. Likely even later unless we drop of to the wildcard spots. That's not a valuable pick anymore. Even less valuable since it'd come with a big upgrade in goal. Devils would be stupid to not make this deal.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
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If they make the postseason we talk about pick #49 at worst. Likely even later unless we drop of to the wildcard spots. That's not a valuable pick anymore. Even less valuable since it'd come with a big upgrade in goal. Devils would be stupid to not make this deal.


I dont see Fitz doing that. I get what youre saying I just dont see it happening.
 
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