Realistic Horvat Trade

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Created by: rednwhite

Team: 2022-23 Detroit Red Wings

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 26, 2023

Published: Jan. 26, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

I used the Fiala trade from last year as a benchmark for this deal. There are some minor differences but between the two players but overall I would say they are comparable. Fiala is probably a bit better offensively but there is a premium on big Centers like Horvat.

Fiala fetched a return of the 19 OV and Brock Faber (2nd Round Pick). Detroit's offer is similar because the 2024 1st rounder is likely to be in the 10-20 range and Wallinder was the 32 OV pick in 2020. This offer is contingent on Horvat resigning with Detroit on an 8x8 deal.

I don't see any team paying the premium price that Canucks fans are looking for of multiple 1sts and high end prospects.

Trades

DET

Horvat, Bo

VAN

Wallinder, William [Reserve List]
2024 1st round pick (DET)

Buyouts

Justin Abdelkader: $2,305,556
Frans Nielsen: $500,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Richard Pánik: $1,375,000 (50%)

Buried

Alex Nedeljkovic: $1,875,000 ($3,000,000)
Jakub Vrána: $1,500,000 ($2,625,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$82,500,000	$73,823,056	$0	$3,775,000	$8,676,944

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Bertuzzi, Tyler $2,375,000$2,375,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Larkin, Dylan $6,100,000$6,100,000 C NTC UFA - 1	Raymond, Lucas $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) RW, LW RFA - 2
Rasmussen, Michael $1,460,000$1,460,000 LW, C UFA - 2	Horvat, Bo $4,125,000$4,125,000 C UFA - 1	Perron, David $4,750,000$4,750,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
Berggren, Jonatan $925,000$925,000 RW, LW RFA - 2	Copp, Andrew $5,625,000$5,625,000 C, LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 5	Kubalik, Dominik $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Fabbri, Robby $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW UFA - 3	Veleno, Joseph $894,167$894,167 ($425,000$425K) C RFA - 1	Sundqvist, Oskar $2,750,000$2,750,000 RW, C UFA - 1
Erne, Adam $2,100,000$2,100,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Suter, Pius $3,250,000$3,250,000 C, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Walman, Jake $1,050,000$1,050,000 LD UFA - 1	Seider, Moritz $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2	Husso, Ville $4,750,000$4,750,000 G M-NTC UFA - 3
Määttä, Olli $2,250,000$2,250,000 LD UFA - 1	Hronek, Filip $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD RFA - 2	Hellberg, Magnus $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Chiarot, Ben $4,750,000$4,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 4	Lindström, Gustav $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Hägg, Robert $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 1	Zadina, Filip $1,825,000$1,825,000 RW, LW RFA - 3
Oesterle, Jordan $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Pysyk, Mark $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 1

Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.

MoSeider53

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Rasmussen/Veleno+Zadina+Wallinder+2024 1st round pick, That's the best Vancouver will get from Detroit. JR mentioned reclamation projects hence Filip Zadina who he feels he can turn into a better player.

Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:29 a.m.

canucksfan43

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Canucks pass

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:30 a.m.

TheRealisticGuy

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Quoting: canucksfan43

Canucks pass

Maybe because it's not a 2023 1st but value is definitely there

Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:30 a.m.

theleano1

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Canucks pass

Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.

rednwhite

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Quoting: canucksfan43

Canucks pass

Find me a better realistic offer. Better off getting two good pieces for him then letting him walk for nothing.

Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:40 a.m.

rednwhite

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

That feels like way to much to me to be honest. I am fine moving Zadina but not a fan of getting rid of Ras or Veleno. Both guys are finally starting to look like real good pieces.

Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:44 a.m.

MoSeider53

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Quoting: rednwhite

That feels like way to much to me to be honest. I am fine moving Zadina but not a fan of getting rid of Ras or Veleno. Both guys are finally starting to look like real good pieces.

JR wants a roster player, That would be Zadina. Plus a player coming off of his ELC hence Joe Veleno and a highend prospect William Wallinder fits that description and a 1st. But iagree it's overpayment and i really don't want to move either Rasmussen or Veleno either. Just need to get Larks resigned and stay the course.

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:45 a.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Why wouldn't Detroit just wait a couple months and sign him as a UFA?

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:50 a.m.

rednwhite

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Why wouldn't Detroit just wait a couple months and sign him as a UFA?

If he goes to Free Agency there is a good chance he signs elsewhere. Detroit would only make the deal if he agreed to an extension before hand.

Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:52 a.m.

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: rednwhite

If he goes to Free Agency there is a good chance he signs elsewhere. Detroit would only make the deal if he agreed to an extension before hand.

I would say Detroit dodges a bullet then

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:53 a.m.

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canucksfan43

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Quoting: rednwhite

Find me a better realistic offer. Better off getting two good pieces for him then letting him walk for nothing.

Quoting: rednwhite

If he goes to Free Agency there is a good chance he signs elsewhere. Detroit would only make the deal if he agreed to an extension before hand.

If your signing him to an extension as part of the trade it's gonna cost more, at least other teams would offer more than that. Also, i'd love to see Horvat in Detroit as opposed to some other teams that are rumoured to be interested

Jan. 26, 2023 at 11:58 a.m.

#12

PuzzledActuary

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Price will be higher than this, and will almost definitely include this year's 1st.

Bottom line, not worth it.

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 12:08 p.m.

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Canucks1972

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I think it will be more. Again, if players like Chariot (1st, 4th, Smilanic), Giroux (Tippett, 1st and 3rd), Hagel (2 1sts), Jankrok (2nd and 3rd) and I know there were some other add ons to these trades.
It's not a bad trade but Detroit will have to add more. I think its closer to this....

1st, 2nd, Rasmussen and Wallinder
for
Horvat

Jan. 26, 2023 at 12:49 p.m.

#14

rednwhite

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Quoting: Canucks1972

Those picks your listing are all late 1sts. Detroit's pick is likely in the middle of the first round in 2024.

Jan. 26, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.

#15

Canucks1972

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I agree but Horvat is also better than all those other player. I think it will take 3 pieces IMO. Who knows.
Maybe a 1st, 2nd and Wallinder. You may need to put Pius Suter in for cap reasons.

I think Horvat is perfect for Detroit

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.

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AZWings

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

How about Van gives us Horvat and Detroit takes JT Miller off your hands for "future considerations?"

Jan. 26, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.

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MoSeider53

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Quoting: AZWings

How about Van gives us Horvat and Detroit takes JT Miller off your hands for "future considerations?"

Works for me, Rick Dhaliwal mentioned that Vancouver was willing to move a cap dump with Horvat. And Millers contract definitely is heading in cap dump territory.

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 4:01 p.m.

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Kyriakos_Grizzly

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Quoting: rednwhite

Those picks your listing are all late 1sts. Detroit's pick is likely in the middle of the first round in 2024.

Look at the standings. I am sure Fla would want to have that 1st back lol.

Jan. 27, 2023 at 9:16 a.m.

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rednwhite

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Quoting: Kyriakos_Grizzly

Look at the standings. I am sure Fla would want to have that 1st back lol.

Forsure, but at the time of the trade Montreal was likely projecting it to be a late 1st. That's always the risk of trading future 1sts.

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