Not really, Vancouver got Beaullivier who's young and serviceable along with Raty who was NYI's best prospect and Toronto has a better chance of making the playoffs than NYI. A trade that would have been similar to the Horvat deal would be: 2023 first, Knies and Sandin (Knies is less valuable than Raty but Sandin is more valuable than Beau) and ST.Louis got nowhere near that. IMO, Accardi was worth the Second so in my eyes it's Gaudette (contract spot), Abramov (don't know the kid so no comment), 2023 1rst and 2023 Ott's 3rd (Thanks Matt Murray) for O'Rielly.

You also have to remember that O'Rielly had a broken foot that is now healed and will be playing against 3rd line guys which will help him stat wise.

The Leafs now become the most stacked team down the middle and if they land Chychrun (2024 1rst + Knies + Sandin + another B tier prospect) which would explain why O'Rielly needed 75% retained. They (obviously with biases) could be considered one of the teams most likely to win it all

Sure, you could spin it this way if you want.

Or, it's a late first, a future second, a prospect who can't crack 0.5ppg in the AHL, and Gaudette who is now on his 5th team in in 3 years for ROR at 1.875M and another depth piece in Acciari.

Depends on which fan base you're talking to I guess.

True however there was at the time I believe it was 5 days prior to FA players who would be UFAs could visit other teams as Stamkos did with Toronto. If my memory serves me correctly it was a Tuesday and The TML brought him. They had the CEO of Canadian Tire there telling him how much he could make in endorsements. The Mayor . By Stamkos' own words he walked into Yzerman's office the next morning and told him get me what you can I'm staying. This was confirmed by Steve Yzerman. Problem with that approach was Stamkos hadn't done a commercial for anything the previous 8 year and hasn't until the last year . He likes his privacy and really doesn't want to be a product w****

Who offered Tavares 13.5 I call B***s*** on that. And the KHL team offered Kaprizov a $10,000,000 contract to and the Easter bunny exists.

https://www.tsn.ca/tavares-took-less-money-to-come-home-1.1128490#:~:text=It%20wasn't%20about%20linemates,about%20being%20a%20fan%20again.

You believe in Santa Claus too? Don't believe it for a second show me a quote of Doug Wilson confirming that I'll believe it.

Lol, can't fathom someone being right about something eh.

Cause a GM is absolutely going to come out and say how much he offered a guy he didn't end up getting. Give your head a shake.

Wow agents don't lie to the press to make their clients look good. Do you really believe that Kaprizov had a $10,000,000 KHL contract offer? Agents and Gms Lie ALL THE TIME

Love that you switched to talking about Kaprizov once the evidence of JT was put in front of you. Just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

Have a good one!

Pretty good trade, I’d have to say STL won, but pretty solid overall.

I was making the point GMs LIE giving another example. You have an "unnamed source" article good job show me one quote from a named person saying he was offered 13.5.

Leafs having 5 (of a potential 12) picks in the first 4 rounds over the next 3 years is an ultimate "F them picks" lol. If they can't manage to surpass tampa this year in the first rd, you might all hear my laughing in the distance.

The comparison is ridiculous as O'Reilly is an older player with name recognition and past performances. K cool we agree. But Chiarot isn't.

O'Reilly has a Selke, top 5 Selke voter last 4 years. A conn Smythe. K I get the past accomplishments.

What are Chiarot's past accomplishments? He has none. Chiarot isn't a great defender and he never was. Further he was as good last year as he ever was. Which is a fine #4-5 physical defender. But not a particularly good one. He wasn't past his prime and living off past accomplishments... He just was overrated.

It's a dumb comparison

In your opinion, what should an extension for ROR look like?

Tough to say. He's only 32, not exactly "aging", but he's technically on the wrong side of 30.

I wouldn't be shocked if someone offered him a 4M (4 years) or 5M (3 years). TOR can't do that though, unless he's going to play the 2LW spot more often than not.

Leafs paid more for O’Reilly than the Rangers did for Tarasenko.

I feel like the Leafs overpaid here.

Minnesota paid $74k in actual dollars and spent a fraction of the nearly $12 million in accrued cap space to acquire a 4th round pick in exchange for a prospect they had no intention of signing. It’s not a loss for Minnesota. It’s exactly what they need to be doing.

The cap space should be spent on a quality rental for the playoffs.

The 4th round pick is for 2025.

And a 4th round pick was spent on drafting Pillar in the first place.



At the end of the day, Minnesota did not need to be in this trade.

Depends on how you look at it. NYI's first round pick had more value. As it stands right now (obviously can change), that pick is earlier than TOR's.

Raty has more value than Gaudette and Abramov combined right now. I would say he has a better chance of making the NHL on a regular basis than the other two.

That leaves the rest of the picks. Which TOR needed to send out in order to get ROR at 75% retention, and also got another depth "grit" piece that this website loves to obsess over.

I can’t tell if it’s an overpay or not

MN still has $10 million in cap space to spend on rentals if they choose to go that route. (They shouldn’t. There are too many holes to fill to make them a contender.)

The pick is in 2025 because their prospect pool is already stacked. They need time to weed out who stays and who goes.

They weren’t signing Pillar. They paid $74k to recoup the pick.

If MN wasn’t in the trade, some other team would have helped.

Guerin’s looking to the future, which is exactly what he should be doing, even if the return is only a 4th round pick two years from now.

I see your point but I don't know about "ultimate". The quite bad over that period Vancouver Canucks have had 6 picks in the first 4 round over the last 3 years (https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008756.html) and while that is one more than the Leafs, the Leafs have two 1sts to their one.

But yeah the Leafs have moved a looooot of draft capital. They haven't moved the majority of their prospects though. Yet...

It all depends on how he plays in Toronto. I'd love to resign him for like 4 mil*3 years.

For those saying O'Reilly is over the hill, wanna hear something crazy? Do you know who the first pick was in his draft? Tavares. Kadri same draft just got 8-9 mil for term.

There's a gamble here as he was playing below his typical this year but we shall see

Between 750K (steal)-2.5 mill (Bergy contract but with a little more term like by 1 or 2 years)