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This is the PLD 2 MTL prediction

Created by: MONSTER1974
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 28, 2023
Published: Mar. 28, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Kent Hughes has no leverage in negotiating a reasonable deal for PLD because he can’t offersheet PLD due to the MTL 2nd rd pick being in ARZ.

The trade below allows MTL to acquire that pick, AND shed some salary.

Once MTL acquires their own 2nd rd pick, then they can submit a 1yr/8M offersheet to PLD if they can’t work out a deal with WIN.

WIN doesn’t want an offersheet, because they know he’s walking at the end of the deal. WIN has to decide if they can do better than the offersheet compensation they would receive from MTL, or get more in a deadline deal as a rental.

PLUS… does WIN want to gamble with the possibility of PLD getting hurt before being dealt. If injured and can’t be traded, they run the possibility of losing PLD for nothing.

It makes for an interesting soap… but nothing like this happens unless the Habs acquire the pick from ARZ.

If that deal happens. WIN will be concerned.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$8,000,000
8$8,000,000
1$3,100,000
3$1,500,000
1$1,000,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Dubois, Pierre-Luc$8,000,000
2024 1st round pick
2024 2nd round pick
2024 3rd round pick
Trades
MTL
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (MTL)
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (COL)
ARI
  1. Armia, Joel ($1,700,000 retained)
  2. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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Logo of the PIT
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Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CGY
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
2024
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Logo of the COL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the SJS
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the EDM
2025
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CGY
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$85,000,000$77,996,666$1,170,000$4,752,500$7,003,334
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$897,500$897,500 (Performance Bonus$557,500$558K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$828,333$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$875,000$875,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3

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Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:03 a.m.
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you know if they offersheet dubois, they will just match the offer?
Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:03 a.m.
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an os is pretty unlikely but if they give up a unprotected 2024 first in that i wouldn't be complaining
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:04 a.m.
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WPG*
Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:05 a.m.
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Quoting: drambui
you know if they offersheet dubois, they will just match the offer?


if its this offer why would they match as they cant trade him after and walk him to ufa. Jets would get a 2024 unprotected pick and 1/2 early picks in the draft which is quite good. Unrealistic to os but most likely not matched
Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:06 a.m.
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if its this offer why would they match as they cant trade him after and walk him to ufa. Jets would get a 2024 unprotected pick and 1/2 early picks in the draft which is quite good. Unrealistic to os but most likely not matched


they can trade him 6 months after.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:07 a.m.
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Offer sheet does not work well in this situation. Habs do not want him to walk in 2024 either.

Sign and trade can work, otherwise they just wait it out.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:14 a.m.
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You are basically trading an unprotected 1st round pick by offersheeting him. That would be pretty dumb IMO since that pick will almost certainly be pretty high
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:29 a.m.
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Quoting: drambui
they can trade him 6 months after.


They can not trade him for 1 year after he signs an OS, the 6 months (actually it is Jan 1st) deadline applies to negotiating an extension.

What are the details for the club receiving the offer sheet?
The player must be an RFA and therefore the receiving club must have made a qualifying offer (QO) to the player by the later of:
5:00pm ET on June 25th
5:00pm ET on Monday following the NHL Entry Draft
If the player has not received a QO they will instead become a UFA, for further details please see the Qualifying Offer Calculator
The club that receives an Offer Sheet has 7 days to match the offer or accept the draft pick compensation:
If the receiving club accepts the Offer Sheet, they receive the compensation package which coincides with the annual average value of the offer made from the submitting club
If the receiving club matches the Offer Sheet, they are bound to the contract details outlined in the offer, and must respect all aspects of the contract
If the receiving club matches the Offer Sheet, they cannot trade that player for 1 year from the date of first refusal
Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:31 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
They can not trade him for 1 year after he signs an OS, the 6 months (actually it is Jan 1st) deadline applies to negotiating an extension.

What are the details for the club receiving the offer sheet?
The player must be an RFA and therefore the receiving club must have made a qualifying offer (QO) to the player by the later of:
5:00pm ET on June 25th
5:00pm ET on Monday following the NHL Entry Draft
If the player has not received a QO they will instead become a UFA, for further details please see the Qualifying Offer Calculator
The club that receives an Offer Sheet has 7 days to match the offer or accept the draft pick compensation:
If the receiving club accepts the Offer Sheet, they receive the compensation package which coincides with the annual average value of the offer made from the submitting club
If the receiving club matches the Offer Sheet, they are bound to the contract details outlined in the offer, and must respect all aspects of the contract
If the receiving club matches the Offer Sheet, they cannot trade that player for 1 year from the date of first refusal


oh i see where i got confused then, thanks!
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:37 a.m.
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MTL ISNT SPENDING 2X1ST, A 2ND AND 3RD FOR A GUY THEY CAN GET FOR FREE ONE YEAR LATER. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:40 a.m.
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This is actually a genius post, and would be some shrewd business by Hughes if WPG is not willing to move Dubois at a reasonable price.

WPG would be faced with the situation of accepting the offersheet (1st, 2nd, 3rd) or matching it and surely losing Dubois for nothing as a UFA because they cannot trade him per the CBA.

It would be preferable for MTL to trade for him, but this really puts things into perspective for WPG, anything > 1st, 2nd, 3rd should be accepted.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:43 a.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
Offer sheet does not work well in this situation. Habs do not want him to walk in 2024 either.

Sign and trade can work, otherwise they just wait it out.


Unless they come to terms with a "handshake deal" for an extension. A similar situation to Kotkaniemi in Carolina.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Shanesaw9
Unless they come to terms with a "handshake deal" for an extension. A similar situation to Kotkaniemi in Carolina.


What is it with habs and os man? Literally any rfa that is young (laf, dubois, Schneider etc)
Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:51 a.m.
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OR

MTL could OS Dubois 1 year/6.2M, therefore only having to pay a 1st and a 3rd in 2024. WPG would be in the same situation where if they match, they'd lose Dubois for nothing in 2024 since they couldn't trade him for a year, but with less return.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 10:55 a.m.
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What is it with habs and os man? Literally any rfa that is young (laf, dubois, Schneider etc)


A lot offersheet ideas are not very good. People are still free to post the ideas so they can be discussed.

I was ready to knock the suggestion of an offersheet for PLD when I first started reading this post but once I understood the tough situation it put WPG - this is one of the rare situations where an offersheet is a viable option.

It would still be preferred if the two teams can come up with a reasonable deal, but this was a great post nonetheless.

All of the other offersheets you are asking about (Laf, Schneider, etc.) are irrelevant to this discussion.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 11:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Shanesaw9
A lot offersheet ideas are not very good. People are still free to post the ideas so they can be discussed.

I was ready to knock the suggestion of an offersheet for PLD when I first started reading this post but once I understood the tough situation it put WPG - this is one of the rare situations where an offersheet is a viable option.

It would still be preferred if the two teams can come up with a reasonable deal, but this was a great post nonetheless.

All of the other offersheets you are asking about (Laf, Schneider, etc.) are irrelevant to this discussion.


I think our OS option is added onto our trade leverage, should help us strike a deal if there's one to be struck.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 1:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Shanesaw9
Unless they come to terms with a "handshake deal" for an extension. A similar situation to Kotkaniemi in Carolina.


Handshake deal is worth the paper it's printed on.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
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Dude we can offersheet 1 year 6.2M and OS him for 1st 2024 and a 3rd lol
 
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