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Habs offseason using tankathon for draft lottery

Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 28, 2023
Published: Mar. 28, 2023
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I explained all the trades in detail, just want to use this desc to say I used tankathon to simulate the draft lottery where I was lucky enough to move up to 3rd overall, where I’d select Leo Carlsson assuming he’s available. Thanks. Also, I made a mistake Xd, I accidentally signed all of the AHL UFAs to 2 x 8M instead of 800k. Idk why but it won’t let me undo that. This offseason leaves us with about 6M in cap space.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$925,000
2$850,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,200,000
2$2,000,000
3$2,100,000
1$950,000
2$875,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
6$7,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$8,000,000
2$8,000,000
2$8,000,000
2$8,000,000
2$8,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Carlsson, Leo
3$950,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Dubois is 95% headed to MTL in his UFA which will be next offseason. The Jets can do a few things here: 1) keep him as an internal rental that they know will leave. 2) trade him to another team as a rental and get a minimal return since that team knows he won’t be re-signing. 3) trade him to Montreal. The return won’t be amazing since we know he’s going to MTL anyways but I’d call this more than fair. Harris is a very solid young dman that can slot into Winnipeg’s bottom 4 right away. Ylönen is a fantastic bottom 6 forward, who reminds fans of Lehkonen quite a bit. The 2nd round pick in 2024 is a good sweetener to the deal.
WPG
  1. Harris, Jordan
  2. Ylönen, Jesse
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (COL)
2.
MTL
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (SEA)
  2. 2024 7th round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
It’s honestly hard to explain, but I just see no better fit for Dvorak than Seattle. I feel as if Dvorak would actually flourish there, and I want that for him. Montreal essentially replenishes the pick they lost in the Dubois deal
3.
MTL
  1. Hart, Carter
Additional Details:
Rumour has it that Carter Hart will be made available this offseason and I think this is the time to jump for Montreal. Carter Hart has vezina potential, and his value would be minimal compared to his potential. Now, the price is still fairly steep, but I think it’s worth it. Additionally, I’d like to add that this makes sense because Montreal has already been connected to Philly for talking briefly about Hart and a possible offseason move.
PHI
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Norlinder, Mattias
  3. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
4.
MTL
  1. 2023 4th round pick (FLA)
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (FLA)
Additional Details:
Pretty much dumping a player and cap for MTL, Florida needs a decent dman badly.
Buyouts
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the SEA
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the VGK
Logo of the FLA
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CGY
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
2024
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the FLA
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the SJS
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the CGY
2025
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$82,500,000$109,788,166$1,170,000$4,752,500-$27,288,166
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$8,200,000$8,200,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$897,500$897,500 (Performance Bonus$557,500$558K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
$7,000,000$7,000,000
C
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Carlsson, Leo
$950,000$950,000
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,100,000$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$3,979,000$3,979,000
G
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$828,333$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2

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Mar. 28, 2023 at 11:03 a.m.
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Those AHL players absolutely love you right now lol
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 11:10 a.m.
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Yeah jets don't need lhd just make it the Florida 2023 first and kidney as a base and slightly make it better
Mar. 28, 2023 at 11:11 a.m.
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No way Jets take that
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 11:19 a.m.
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Flyers could do so much better for Hart, no?

And you're 26 M$ over the cap!
Mar. 28, 2023 at 11:20 a.m.
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Please note that if the Jets keep him until the TDL, he will still get a first plus...
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 11:40 a.m.
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The Jets could still get a better package then that for Dubois whether from Montreal or some other team.

Also have you not looked at Seattle's forwards, they're quite deep actually, they're literally one of the last teams that Dvorak would be a fit for.

What a terrible trade for Philly.

At least there's finally a realistic value on Edmunson for a change.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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Add Dvorak to the PLD trade and Jets fans are going to be highly disappointed when they realize they won't even get that much from MTL. Dvo + Col 2nd + Ylonen and they can lick their wounds.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 12:50 p.m.
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Why would the Jets take that when they can get a much better offer for him as a rental at the TDL??? flushed cheeks
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 1:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
Add Dvorak to the PLD trade and Jets fans are going to be highly disappointed when they realize they won't even get that much from MTL. Dvo + Col 2nd + Ylonen and they can lick their wounds.


They could trade him as a deadline rental for more than that easily but okay
Mar. 28, 2023 at 2:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
Add Dvorak to the PLD trade and Jets fans are going to be highly disappointed when they realize they won't even get that much from MTL. Dvo + Col 2nd + Ylonen and they can lick their wounds.


Comments like this make me laugh. Why would WPG bother trading him to MTL when they can get a much better return for him as a pure rental at the TDL? People seem to think WPG's only option is to trade him to MTL for scraps tears of joy
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 2:17 p.m.
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They could trade him as a deadline rental for more than that easily but okay


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Comments like this make me laugh. Why would WPG bother trading him to MTL when they can get a much better return for him as a pure rental at the TDL? People seem to think WPG's only option is to trade him to MTL for scraps tears of joy


You guys really don't understand the situation eh?
Mar. 28, 2023 at 2:31 p.m.
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You guys really don't understand the situation eh?


I don't think it's us that don't understand the situation. Believe it or not, players get traded as pure rentals every year. These players/teams understand that the player has no intention of re-signing with the team that acquired them. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look at the returns for top players at the TDL and you'd realize WPG can get much more than what's proposed.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 2:34 p.m.
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I don't think it's us that don't understand the situation. Believe it or not, players get traded as pure rentals every year. These players/teams understand that the player has no intention of re-signing with the team that acquired them. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look at the returns for top players at the TDL.


This is my point exactly. PLD won't be under contract unless you match the QO we're going to have him sign, at which point you cannot trade him for 1 year after this. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look to realize you trade him for a fair price and not a kings ransom now, or, you match and get a year to hope you win it all then he walks to us for free. No team is going to offer you the farm for a guy who wants to play for one team only, as much as you'd like to try to deny it.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 2:57 p.m.
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This is my point exactly. PLD won't be under contract unless you match the QO we're going to have him sign, at which point you cannot trade him for 1 year after this. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look to realize you trade him for a fair price and not a kings ransom now, or, you match and get a year to hope you win it all then he walks to us for free. No team is going to offer you the farm for a guy who wants to play for one team only, as much as you'd like to try to deny it.


Except this offer is less than your 24 unprotected 1st and 3rd anyway, even assuming the habs make an offer sheet, pissing off the rest of the league and setting themselves up to be vulnerable to offer sheets in the future. Didn't you learn from KK, but hey I can't wait for you to have to either lose or overpay a bunch of your RFAs going forward. Also thinking dubois is going for 7 mill is hilarous as well
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 2:59 p.m.
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This is my point exactly. PLD won't be under contract unless you match the QO we're going to have him sign, at which point you cannot trade him for 1 year after this. All you'd have to do is a little bit of research and take a look to realize you trade him for a fair price and not a kings ransom now, or, you match and get a year to hope you win it all then he walks to us for free. No team is going to offer you the farm for a guy who wants to play for one team only, as much as you'd like to try to deny it.


So in your hypothetical situation you're assuming he's signing an OS (not QO like you stated above)? Not once did you say that lol. Also, I doubt WPG lets this play out after July 1st when an OS can be signed. This would be a draft weekend move, avoiding that situation completely. If MTL signs him to an OS after that when he's with his new team, the 1 year trade rule does nothing seeing as how the entire point of trading PLD would be trading him to a CONTENDING team so they have him for the full year.

The max MTL could give him is $6,302,230 which would be an easy match for the contending team.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 2:59 p.m.
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Except this offer is less than your 24 unprotected 1st and 3rd anyway


Bingo.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 3:00 p.m.
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Bingo.


Montreal fans are so delusional
Mar. 28, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.
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So in your hypothetical situation you're assuming he's signing an OS (not QO like you stated above)? Not once did you say that lol. Also, I doubt WPG lets this play out after July 1st when an OS can be signed. This would be a draft weekend move, avoiding that situation completely. If MTL signs him to an OS after that when he's with his new team, the 1 year trade rule does nothing seeing as how the entire point of trading PLD would be trading him to a CONTENDING team so they have him for the full year.

The max MTL could give him is $6,302,230 which would be an easy match for the contending team.


It's not a hypothetical, it's real chief. Yes OS not QO, a slight technicality in terms of acronyms but the point was there all the same. If it's a draft weekend move, fantastic. You're still not getting a kings ransom since PLD wants to play in MTL and no team is going to give up the pieces you're demanding. You're making the assumption he would be willing to sign a QO with any other team you choose, you sure they're willing to take that risk? Yes that would be the max we can give him, doesn't make it an easy match for any team considering most contenders are cap strapped anyway.

It's going to be a tough pill to swallow for ya, sorry bout your luck.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
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Except this offer is less than your 24 unprotected 1st and 3rd anyway, even assuming the habs make an offer sheet, pissing off the rest of the league and setting themselves up to be vulnerable to offer sheets in the future. Didn't you learn from KK, but hey I can't wait for you to have to either lose or overpay a bunch of your RFAs going forward. Also thinking dubois is going for 7 mill is hilarous as well


Then might I suggest you take the 1st and 3rd and stop complaining that you have no leverage and hate MTL? Whether you agree or not, once Dvorak heals he can pull a 2nd. Ylonen could pull a 2nd if a team believes in him, more likely a 3rd. And then there's another 2nd in there. If you think we're handing over top end pieces to get our player a year sooner, you may want to rethink some choices. Your expectations are on the moon, I'll keep my offers nice and low so y'all know where to ground yourselves when you're finished.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 3:16 p.m.
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Then might I suggest you take the 1st and 3rd and stop complaining that you have no leverage and hate MTL? Whether you agree or not, once Dvorak heals he can pull a 2nd. Ylonen could pull a 2nd if a team believes in him, more likely a 3rd. And then there's another 2nd in there. If you think we're handing over top end pieces to get our player a year sooner, you may want to rethink some choices. Your expectations are on the moon, I'll keep my offers nice and low so y'all know where to ground yourselves when you're finished.


*if dvorak heals, and IF he returns to form he might pull a 2nd retained at the deadline
Mar. 28, 2023 at 3:33 p.m.
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Then might I suggest you take the 1st and 3rd and stop complaining that you have no leverage and hate MTL? Whether you agree or not, once Dvorak heals he can pull a 2nd. Ylonen could pull a 2nd if a team believes in him, more likely a 3rd. And then there's another 2nd in there. If you think we're handing over top end pieces to get our player a year sooner, you may want to rethink some choices. Your expectations are on the moon, I'll keep my offers nice and low so y'all know where to ground yourselves when you're finished.


Expectations are simply beating a full year rental awful. Would be real unfortunate if PLD went to a contender and then decided to extend there
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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It's not a hypothetical, it's real chief. Yes OS not QO, a slight technicality in terms of acronyms but the point was there all the same. If it's a draft weekend move, fantastic. You're still not getting a kings ransom since PLD wants to play in MTL and no team is going to give up the pieces you're demanding. You're making the assumption he would be willing to sign a QO with any other team you choose, you sure they're willing to take that risk? Yes that would be the max we can give him, doesn't make it an easy match for any team considering most contenders are cap strapped anyway.

It's going to be a tough pill to swallow for ya, sorry bout your luck.


Who said a king's ransom?! And when did I ever give you my prediction on a return? He'll get fair value, unlike what was proposed above. You think Dubois just doesn't sign a QO and sits out all year lol? Not likely.

It's going to be a tough pill to swallow for ya when PLD gets dealt for a fair return, and most likely not to MTL, sorry bout your luck.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.
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Expectations are simply beating a full year rental awful. Would be real unfortunate if PLD went to a contender and then decided to extend there


How unfortunate would that be hey?! tears of joy
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