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Created by: KingofRnR
Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 20, 2023
Published: Apr. 20, 2023
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Raymond’s a Defensive Liability, No!?
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2$850,000
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1$1,000,000
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:41 p.m.
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No way they sell low on Raymond like this
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:42 p.m.
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Detroit should absolutely not do that
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:43 p.m.
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i feel like lately there have been a lot of trolling towards red wings fans
Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:44 p.m.
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Decent offer but Wings need a right handed center
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:47 p.m.
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Raymond is 21 and just became 3rd youngest in franchise history to 100 points. He is not being traded.
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:47 p.m.
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🤣
Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:47 p.m.
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Quoting: North_Kariya
i feel like lately there have been a lot of trolling towards red wings fans


No it's just a trade idea and it was decent but the Wings need a right handed center. People need to stop calling eachother trolls just because you don't like their trades.
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:48 p.m.
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Quoting: North_Kariya
i feel like lately there have been a lot of trolling towards red wings fans


Just the usual 95% of CFACGM thinking/hoping Steve Yzerman is Mike Milbury.
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:50 p.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Just the usual 95% of CFACGM thinking/hoping Steve Yzerman is Mike Milbury.


Well there’s no elite talent on offence rn other than Raymond and Larkin. And then you hope Kasper does become one as well. Neither of those 3 should be moved along with Edvinsson and Seider. Those are the building blocks
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:50 p.m.
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Ok honestly I expected better from you.
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:51 p.m.
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Well there’s no elite talent on offence rn other than Raymond and Larkin. And then you hope Kasper does become one as well. Neither of those 3 should be moved along with Edvinsson and Seider. Those are the building blocks


Thanks, Tips.
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Lancebmx
Ok honestly I expected better from you.

This is probably one of my worst and less thought out ones for sure, but I saw someone claiming Raymond was a liability defensively and I’m really high on Dube right now, so I pitched it knowing I’d get corrected

Figured DET needs an LW with Fabbri always being hurt and that Ruzicka’s a Better C than Veleno and would fit in there

Could throw in Vladar or a 2nd maybe 🤔 I don’t think a 1st is justifiable, even if Raymond was Drafted 4th Overall 3 years ago
Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:56 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
Well there’s no elite talent on offence rn other than Raymond and Larkin. And then you hope Kasper does become one as well. Neither of those 3 should be moved along with Edvinsson and Seider. Those are the building blocks


How many Red Wings games did you watch? Raymond was awful this season and Kasper will be a third line center if he can learn to win faceoffs
Apr. 20, 2023 at 6:58 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
This is probably one of my worst and less thought out ones for sure, but I saw someone claiming Raymond was a liability defensively and I’m really high on Dube right now, so I pitched it knowing I’d get corrected

Figured DET needs an LW with Fabbri always being hurt and that Ruzicka’s a Better C than Veleno and would fit in there

Could throw in Vladar or a 2nd maybe 🤔 I don’t think a 1st is justifiable, even if Raymond was Drafted 4th Overall 3 years ago


Raymond is off the table, no point in even trying lol.
If that person who says he is a liability and is always trading him for crap is like nhlww something or other, he's either a super troll or so far off his rocker. I added him to my ignore list lol
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 7:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Lancebmx
Raymond is off the table, no point in even trying lol.
If that person who says he is a liability and is always trading him for crap is like nhlww something or other, he's either a super troll or so far off his rocker. I added him to my ignore list lol

Ah okay, My Bad

Sorry DET Fans. Wasn’t trying to Troll intentionally
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 7:05 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Ah okay, My Bad

Sorry DET Fans. Wasn’t trying to Troll intentionally


Definitely not a troll to say Lucas Raymond should be traded given his bad performance this season. He was absolutely brutal the last twenty games and was invisible most nights. I watch every Red Wings game. I think he was -30 his rookie season and was -17 or something this season. Lots of Wings fans are delusional and don't watch every game like I do and don't know hockey. They think every high draft pick is untouchable.
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 7:06 p.m.
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Ah okay, My Bad

Sorry DET Fans. Wasn’t trying to Troll intentionally


Honestly I was just giving you a hard time but it would be kind us offering Kubalik for Andersson straight up
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 7:07 p.m.
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Ah okay, My Bad

Sorry DET Fans. Wasn’t trying to Troll intentionally


honestly though what is the story with Ruzicka? Just not getting the opportunity?
Apr. 20, 2023 at 7:14 p.m.
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Quoting: CoachCoach
honestly though what is the story with Ruzicka? Just not getting the opportunity?

That would be my assessment. Sutter just doesn’t trust the Young Guys

When Ruzicka was inserted on to the Top-Line he was playing at a PPG Pace. Of course he still has work to do on his game, but Sutter demoted him and he still played well with Backlund & Coleman but then he put him on our 4th Line with Lucic & Lewis and he just wasn’t the same and got worse when they kept changing his line mates

I don’t blame Sutter for Huberdeau & Kadri’s lack of success in CGY this year or them missing the Playoffs, but I do blame him for messing with the Young Guys, not giving them fair opportunities and/or messing with their minds and self-confidence

Vladar was playing fine and then Sutter talked down about him, his play slid. I bet he made Ruzicka lose confidence, and start questioning things, which lead to over thinking and clutching the stick too hard trying to force things, instead of being confident and relaxed like he normally is

I think he’ll be a good 3C or Winger and Top-6 Fill-in, but he’s not a Defensive/Checking 4th liner
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Apr. 20, 2023 at 7:53 p.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Just the usual 95% of CFACGM thinking/hoping Steve Yzerman is Mike Milbury.


This might even exceed MM in stupidity
Apr. 20, 2023 at 7:59 p.m.
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So the wings say no obviously but I don't think it's because Raymond is untouchable. I'd mave him if the return was worth it.
Apr. 20, 2023 at 7:59 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLLGRW
Definitely not a troll to say Lucas Raymond should be traded given his bad performance this season. He was absolutely brutal the last twenty games and was invisible most nights. I watch every Red Wings game. I think he was -30 his rookie season and was -17 or something this season. Lots of Wings fans are delusional and don't watch every game like I do and don't know hockey. They think every high draft pick is untouchable.

If you are ready to give up on a 21 year old after hie second season then I don’t think you know hockey as well as you think you do. Did he have a sophomore slump? Sure that doesn’t mean you get rid of him especially on his ELC. You probably would have traded Mackinnon after his 2ns season too
 
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