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Fantilli Draft And Blockbuster Trade

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Team: 2023-24 Anaheim Ducks
Initial Creation Date: May 9, 2023
Published: May 9, 2023
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Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$775,000
2$800,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$850,000
2$925,000
2$925,000
2$775,000
2$775,000
2$1,100,000
2$950,000
2$1,400,000
8$8,000,000
8$8,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$775,000
5$5,500,000
1$1,000,000
3$3,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Fantilli, Adam
3$950,000
Trades
ANA
  1. Guentzel, Jake
  2. 2025 4th round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
There’s been speculation that the Penguins might move on from Guentzel in favor of re-signing Jason Zucker. It seems absurd on the surface, but I think part of it is the fact that Guentzel only has one year left on his contract and may choose to leave via free agency if he thinks that the Penguins are no longer in a position to win. So the Penguins might choose to just get something for him rather than lose him for nothing, and they might do it sooner rather than later if they feel this season might be a whitewash anyway. Plus by doing this trade they get a goalie who’s signed long term, a 1st, a former 1st round pick prospect who just won’t make the Ducks due to the lack of space, and player in Max Comtois who could be revitalized by a change of scenery. The asterisk is that Guentzel signs a long term contract extension with the Ducks.
PIT
  1. Comtois, Maxime [RFA Rights]
  2. Gibson, John
  3. Tracey, Brayden
  4. 2024 1st round pick (ANA)
Additional Details:
Pick is conditional; top 10 protected. Would become a 2025 1st if pick is in the top 10.
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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23$83,500,000$66,614,584$0$3,507,500$16,885,416
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Guentzel, Jake
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Zegras, Trevor
$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
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Terry, Troy
$8,000,000$8,000,000
RW
UFA - 7
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Henrique, Adam
$1,456,250$1,456,250
LW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Waivers ExemptMcTavish, Mason
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C, LW
RFA - 2
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Strome, Ryan
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 4
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Vatrano, Frank
$3,650,000$3,650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Fantilli, Adam
$950,000$950,000
Perry, Corey
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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Jones, Max
$1,295,000$1,295,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Lundeström, Isac
$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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Silfverberg, Jakob
$5,250,000$5,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Fowler, Cam
$6,500,000$6,500,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Drysdale, Jamie
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 3
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Waivers ExemptDostal, Lukas
$950,000$950,000
G
RFA - 2
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Benoit, Simon
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 1
Severson, Damon
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 8
Raanta, Antti
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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Waivers ExemptZellweger, Olen
$844,167$844,167 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
RFA - 3
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Waivers ExemptHelleson, Drew
$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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McGinn, Brock
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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Waivers ExemptLaCombe, Jackson
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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Carrick, Sam
$425,000$425,000
C, RW
UFA - 1

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May 9, 2023 at 7:34 a.m.
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GeneralLandro
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Absolutely not — and that’s before you realize that Guentzel will be 29 before the start of the year

Trading guys fitting our timeline for a guy who doesn’t it a horrible idea
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May 9, 2023 at 7:48 a.m.
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That 1st is probably worth more than Guentzel at this current point in time
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May 9, 2023 at 7:48 a.m.
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Taking nothing away from bedard, but I still feel that fantilli and Anaheim are a absolute perfect fit, the team that really lost was colombus falling out of top 2
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May 9, 2023 at 7:50 a.m.
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Guentzel is worth a mid 1st and an A prospect.
Here I see a protected 1st making it mid to low, 2 B prospects, and a negative value goalie.

Let me qualify the last piece. I like Gibson and think he is a candidate for change of scenery but, he has been negative value for 5 years straight. He is a risk. For a team like the Pens, they can't take a risk unless they aren't paying much for it.

Overall, this is an underpay for Guentzel.

That said, I agree with Landro, it doesn't make sense for Ana either. Unless you believe Guentzel will resign in Ana which I would not.
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May 9, 2023 at 7:51 a.m.
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Nah pens decline
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May 9, 2023 at 7:51 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
That 1st is probably worth more than Guentzel at this current point in time


How do you figure?
May 9, 2023 at 7:52 a.m.
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You must think that we're a serious contender like Tampa, to be paying all of that for a rental. But then, would a serious contender be trading away its starting goaltender for the next four seasons?

Guentzel might be worth a first, a roster player and a prospect to a team that traditionally pays a lot for contention, but Anaheim isn't one of those teams.
May 9, 2023 at 7:56 a.m.
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How do you figure?


odds are still very high that pick is top 10. 1 year of Guentzel at age 29 is not worth a top 10 pick. Great player and would get a very solid return but not that good of one
May 9, 2023 at 8:24 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
odds are still very high that pick is top 10. 1 year of Guentzel at age 29 is not worth a top 10 pick. Great player and would get a very solid return but not that good of one

If you didn’t see the condition, the pick is top 10 protected.
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May 9, 2023 at 8:27 a.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
Guentzel is worth a mid 1st and an A prospect.
Here I see a protected 1st making it mid to low, 2 B prospects, and a negative value goalie.

Let me qualify the last piece. I like Gibson and think he is a candidate for change of scenery but, he has been negative value for 5 years straight. He is a risk. For a team like the Pens, they can't take a risk unless they aren't paying much for it.

Overall, this is an underpay for Guentzel.

That said, I agree with Landro, it doesn't make sense for Ana either. Unless you believe Guentzel will resign in Ana which I would not.


Quoting: OldNYIfan
You must think that we're a serious contender like Tampa, to be paying all of that for a rental. But then, would a serious contender be trading away its starting goaltender for the next four seasons?

Guentzel might be worth a first, a roster player and a prospect to a team that traditionally pays a lot for contention, but Anaheim isn't one of those teams.


Quoting: OldNYIfan
You must think that we're a serious contender like Tampa, to be paying all of that for a rental. But then, would a serious contender be trading away its starting goaltender for the next four seasons?

Guentzel might be worth a first, a roster player and a prospect to a team that traditionally pays a lot for contention, but Anaheim isn't one of those teams.

That’s why I said the key point of the trade is that Guentzel signs an extension. This would not be a rental. If Guentzel wouldn’t agree to sign an extension, the trade doesn’t happen.
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May 9, 2023 at 8:48 a.m.
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If you didn’t see the condition, the pick is top 10 protected.


Ok and there is still a solid chance that it's a top 10 pick in the next year. It takes a while to get out of the basement
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May 9, 2023 at 8:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Birtle34
Taking nothing away from bedard, but I still feel that fantilli and Anaheim are a absolute perfect fit, the team that really lost was colombus falling out of top 2


If they draft Michkov or Carlsson, they're not losing at all. It's out of the top-4 that would have been losing but only Chicago and SJ could have fallen out of it
May 9, 2023 at 9:04 a.m.
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If they draft Michkov or Carlsson, they're not losing at all. It's out of the top-4 that would have been losing but only Chicago and SJ could have fallen out of it


I’m not completely sold, I think fantilli is closer to bedard than those two are too fantilli, will be interesting, I think fantilli has the potential to be best duck ever
May 9, 2023 at 9:11 a.m.
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Honestly, the Pens would probably accept that if more money moved out. If the Ducks take Granny, too, it’s probably a deal.
May 9, 2023 at 9:16 a.m.
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Pens fans really overestimate the value of Guentzel to a non playoff team
May 9, 2023 at 9:58 a.m.
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Ok and there is still a solid chance that it's a top 10 pick in the next year. It takes a while to get out of the basement


A top 10 pick in three years is equivalent to a mid round pick this year. That's a long time to wait.
May 9, 2023 at 10:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Ok and there is still a solid chance that it's a top 10 pick in the next year. It takes a while to get out of the basement

I don’t think it will be. The truth is, the Ducks are a way better team than where they finished. They had a coach behind the bench that didn’t know the in’s and out’s of coaching at the NHL level or how to bring out the best in players. Not that the players themselves were totally innocent in them finishing in last, but coaching was the number one issue for this team. You put a great coach behind the bench who will actually light a fire under these guys, I guarantee they don’t even come close to last place even though they probably still miss the playoffs. If they get the right guy behind the bench this offseason, they’ll be right in the mix to finish as a bubble team. Then they probably make the playoffs in 2024-25.
May 9, 2023 at 11:39 a.m.
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A top 10 pick in three years is equivalent to a mid round pick this year. That's a long time to wait.


Not for a rebuilding team lol. What are you on about? It's not 3 years from now it's 3 drafts from now but 2 years from now. Maybe tell that to Ottawa and how they lost Bowen Byram 1.75 years after the Duchene trade, or the Sharks loosing out on Tim Stutzle 2 years later
May 9, 2023 at 11:46 a.m.
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I don’t think it will be. The truth is, the Ducks are a way better team than where they finished. They had a coach behind the bench that didn’t know the in’s and out’s of coaching at the NHL level or how to bring out the best in players. Not that the players themselves were totally innocent in them finishing in last, but coaching was the number one issue for this team. You put a great coach behind the bench who will actually light a fire under these guys, I guarantee they don’t even come close to last place even though they probably still miss the playoffs. If they get the right guy behind the bench this offseason, they’ll be right in the mix to finish as a bubble team. Then they probably make the playoffs in 2024-25.


No they aren't The ducks defense this year was brutal. They have the offense but past Fowler their defense was basically the level of a mid tier AHL team. They have a lot of strong D prospects but it takes a while for dmen to develop. Even if guys like Drysdale, Mintyukov, Helleson, Zellweger, Lineau, and Warren all make the team in 3 years they will pretty much all still be for the most part green to the NHL. I wouldn't expect much results from that blueline until most are at least 24-25 years old.
May 9, 2023 at 3:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Not for a rebuilding team lol. What are you on about? It's not 3 years from now it's 3 drafts from now but 2 years from now. Maybe tell that to Ottawa and how they lost Bowen Byram 1.75 years after the Duchene trade, or the Sharks loosing out on Tim Stutzle 2 years later


Well I guess it comes down to how optimistic you feel about Ana. If you think they're starting a teardown, yes I would agree. If you think they're in the middle, it's iffy. If you think they're close to competing (as I believe OP does) then you trade the 1st.
May 9, 2023 at 4:45 p.m.
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Well I guess it comes down to how optimistic you feel about Ana. If you think they're starting a teardown, yes I would agree. If you think they're in the middle, it's iffy. If you think they're close to competing (as I believe OP does) then you trade the 1st.


I think their d-core is far too young to be effect for at least 3 years I also think Gibson doesn't fit their timeline so they will need to wait for Dostal to take over which will take a few years.

People underestimate how long a rebuild takes
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May 9, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I think their d-core is far too young to be effect for at least 3 years I also think Gibson doesn't fit their timeline so they will need to wait for Dostal to take over which will take a few years.

People underestimate how long a rebuild takes

There are also plenty of cases where a team finished as the worst team in the league one year and made the playoffs the next. Most notable is the Colorado Avalanche. Their 2016-17 season was one of the worst seasons any NHL team ever had AND their pick fell all the way down to 4th overall to add insult to injury. Also, the team they had that season was way worse on than the Ducks of this season (at least the Ducks from this season had two 60+ point scorers, that Avs team had only one 50+ point scorer. Very next season, they make the playoffs while making very minimal changes outside of the Matt Duchene trade that came a month into the season, and even then the pieces they got didn’t make an immediate impact outside of Samuel Girard. So don’t underestimate the Ducks ability to surprise some people next season.
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May 10, 2023 at 11:53 a.m.
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I’m not completely sold, I think fantilli is closer to bedard than those two are too fantilli, will be interesting, I think fantilli has the potential to be best duck ever


The 4 guys should be huge stars, it's a special draft at the top for sure
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