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Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: May 11, 2023
Published: May 11, 2023
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Free Agent Signings
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3$800,000
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (DET)
2.
CGY
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (PHI)
  3. 2024 1st round pick (BUF)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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23$83,500,000$75,002,499$0$1,277,500$8,497,501
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UFA - 8
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C, RW
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UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333
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RFA - 1
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
C
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UFA - 6
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$2,125,000$2,125,000
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UFA - 1
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C, LW
RFA - 1
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
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UFA - 1
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
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NTC
UFA - 4
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$825,000$825,000
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UFA - 2
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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LD
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UFA - 1
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RD
UFA - 3
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 8
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
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UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
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NMC
UFA - 3
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
RD
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UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$813,333$813,333 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
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RFA - 1
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May 11, 2023 at 3:23 a.m.
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It’s a possible scenario I would like, but I think you way overvalued Tanev due to his age and injury-prone nature
May 11, 2023 at 3:44 a.m.
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It’s a possible scenario I would like, but I think you way overvalued Tanev due to his age and injury-prone nature


Mostly just undervaluing mittelstadt. I like Tanev, but he's not a permanent solution for that spot. I cant see Kevyn Adams moving any assets for a 1 year player unless it's a throw away (like a 6th or their 12th best prospect cause there's no room).
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May 11, 2023 at 4:23 a.m.
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Wow, Buffalo pass
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May 11, 2023 at 5:23 a.m.
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Sabres decline. Mitts is not going anywhere
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May 11, 2023 at 5:26 a.m.
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I understand the value of Tanev, but wow, just wow on that Buffalo trade. Mittlestadt just came off his best year, and is still young. Tanev is 33 and a 1 year rental. No matter how good you think Mittlestadt is, he just had a very good finish to the season; he might regress or he might improve. You don't just give that away for a 1 year rental, unless you have a cup window open and the player coming back is better than Tanev. Then, to top it off, you have picks going to Calgary? Wrong way on those picks there...

Vladar for a 3rd is optimistic. I've argued this before. Backup goalies who have gotten traded for a 3rd or better are almost all better than Vladar. A lot of the deals that were done were with salary retention or cap reasons. Yes, he is cheap, as all backups generally should be, but a sub .900 save % is not good, no matter how bad the team was in front of the guy.
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May 11, 2023 at 1:10 p.m.
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What about Krebs instead of mitts?
May 11, 2023 at 4:38 p.m.
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Edited May 11, 2023 at 4:45 p.m.
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I understand the value of Tanev, but wow, just wow on that Buffalo trade. Mittlestadt just came off his best year, and is still young. Tanev is 33 and a 1 year rental. No matter how good you think Mittlestadt is, he just had a very good finish to the season; he might regress or he might improve. You don't just give that away for a 1 year rental, unless you have a cup window open and the player coming back is better than Tanev. Then, to top it off, you have picks going to Calgary? Wrong way on those picks there...

Vladar for a 3rd is optimistic. I've argued this before. Backup goalies who have gotten traded for a 3rd or better are almost all better than Vladar. A lot of the deals that were done were with salary retention or cap reasons. Yes, he is cheap, as all backups generally should be, but a sub .900 save % is not good, no matter how bad the team was in front of the guy.

We already established Vladar is worth the equivalent of a 2nd Round Pick and that the best Trade comparables are Vanecek, Nedeljkovic, Georgiev & Adin Hill

Most of whom’s rights were Traded, so had no contract and therefore no retention.

Vladar does have a contract and it’s very affordable for a 1B/Future Starter

Vladar’s value has onlg increased since we acquired him for a 3rd and if you’re going solely off his Sv%, that’s a very naive and short-sighted way of evaluating a Goaltender. What about his GAA and Record!?
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May 11, 2023 at 4:42 p.m.
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Vladar is worth a 2nd, so DET would need to add a Sweetener to that 3rd or Top it up somehow

I don’t like Mittlestadt as a Target, since we already have Dube. Best would be to Trade Tanev to TOR for either a 1st + Timmins or Lafferty OR a couple 2nds and both Timmins and Lafferty and try to get Coronato’s Harvard Teammate Abruzzese at the same time, although he’d likely be most useful/helpful if Coronato & he both started next season on the Wranglers

Only BUF forward targets of interest to me are Peyton Krebs and Victor Olofsson 50% retained

Otherwise I’m on board to move Old Man Tanev before he falls apart and/or we can’t get anything if value in return for him
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May 11, 2023 at 5:36 p.m.
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Vladar is worth a 2nd, so DET would need to add a Sweetener to that 3rd or Top it up somehow

I don’t like Mittlestadt as a Target, since we already have Dube. Best would be to Trade Tanev to TOR for either a 1st + Timmins or Lafferty OR a couple 2nds and both Timmins and Lafferty and try to get Coronato’s Harvard Teammate Abruzzese at the same time, although he’d likely be most useful/helpful if Coronato & he both started next season on the Wranglers

Only BUF forward targets of interest to me are Leyton Krebs and Victor Olofsson 50% retained

Otherwise I’m on board to move Old Man Tanev before he falls apart and/or we can’t get anything if value in return for him


Holy moly, how do you come up with these values? Tanev is not worth that. A 1st for a 33 year old rental of a good but not elite player? Defensively, sure probably. But non point producing D just get lower value. Doesn't matter if they are elite at creating scoring opportunities. Jake Walman will be like that next season.
May 11, 2023 at 6:39 p.m.
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Holy moly, how do you come up with these values? Tanev is not worth that. A 1st for a 33 year old rental of a good but not elite player? Defensively, sure probably. But non point producing D just get lower value. Doesn't matter if they are elite at creating scoring opportunities. Jake Walman will be like that next season.

Simple, I look at and compare them to other recent Trades

What do you think Tanev is worth!? He was named an All-Star and nominated for the Norris just last season. He’s still one of the Best Shut Down Defensemen in the NHL

Who cares he’s 33. Giordano’s still killing it at 38-39 and he’ll be 40 come October here…

The bigger issue is his health, but after a long break this summer, I’m confident he will be good to go for Training Camp

There’s more to Hockey than just Points & Scoring friend
May 12, 2023 at 2:17 p.m.
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Simple, I look at and compare them to other recent Trades

What do you think Tanev is worth!? He was named an All-Star and nominated for the Norris just last season. He’s still one of the Best Shut Down Defensemen in the NHL

Who cares he’s 33. Giordano’s still killing it at 38-39 and he’ll be 40 come October here…

The bigger issue is his health, but after a long break this summer, I’m confident he will be good to go for Training Camp

There’s more to Hockey than just Points & Scoring friend

Just a question: So when was Tanev an All-Star and in the Norris voting exactly? I certainly do NOT recall it being recently if it happened at all.
May 12, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.
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Just a question: So when was Tanev an All-Star and in the Norris voting exactly? I certainly do NOT recall it being recently if it happened at all.


He got a fifth place vote once from a Calgary homer no doubt. I don't ever recall him being an all star.
May 12, 2023 at 9:16 p.m.
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Just a question: So when was Tanev an All-Star and in the Norris voting exactly? I certainly do NOT recall it being recently if it happened at all.


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He got a fifth place vote once from a Calgary homer no doubt. I don't ever recall him being an all star.

Check it out on Hockey Reference. Go to the Right Side under “Awards”. It was just last season when he helped Kylington have the breakout year he did:

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/t/tanevch01.html
May 12, 2023 at 9:38 p.m.
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Check it out on Hockey Reference. Go to the Right Side under “Awards”. It was just last season when he helped Kylington have the breakout year he did:

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/t/tanevch01.html


I only see that he played 82 games, he was10th in point share and 10th in ppg goals against once in hus career, last season.

Keep trying
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