You're gonna anger a whole buncha Red Wings fans.
No one states it, but he's our fan favorite.

Wings pass, they aren't trading Ras. Myers + something for him only. They don't need beauv either

Yeah I love Ras and you will too because I'm taking the 1st rounder

I agree with taking the first. It's a tough call but we could also get some value for Beau.

I'm not so quick to get upset here. While I don't think I'd do this trade, it isn't far off. Rasmussen is cost controlled and cheaper than AB, and Rasmussen is younger, better defensively, and can play center. Plus, Rasmussen is RFA after next season, AB is UFA. Production wise, AB is pretty close to .5 ppg, Rasmussen had this past season as productive, though I expect here on out he will be above .5ppg.

So, we can establish, Rasmussen is by far a better value than Beauvillier, with a massive reason being contract expiry and future salary expectations. The Wings may as well consider Beauvillier a rental, or tbey will probably wind up paying a middle 6 winger north of 5 million per, which is not likely a good idea. Myers costs assets to rid the contract, or has very little trade value.

That leaves this whole trade down to the 1st. A 2024 pick, protected, is non-starter. Protection needs to be gone. Rasmussen is worth more than a middle or later 1st. I'd also add a 2023 2nd round pick to the package to Detroit. Otherwise, the 1st would have to be 2023.

This is a fair idea, not crazy outlandish like Vladar for a 3rd plus or Hellebuyck for for 4 first round equivalents or Petry for any asset. Just needs some more work.

Since it's a 2024 it would have to be unprotected at least for me. But it doesn't matter because Vancouver isn't doing this.

The Wings could also move one or both of Beauvillier and Myers at the deadline for additional assets. Beauvillier could probably get a 2nd and Myers with retention would get a mid round pick. If you look at it that way then the trade is really 1st 2024 + 2nd + 3rd for Rasmussen.

This is a very realistic proposal honestly. Vancouver surely needs to add, but it not only gives them a cost controlled top 9 plug with size and defensive capability, but it frees up 8 million in cap. Vancouver most definitely needs to add, unprotect, or change the draft pick year. A trade like that would be a win for them.

You are right I didn't even think about cap hit.

You really can't. What if AB gets hurt? You aren't trading Rasmussen for a mid or late 2024 1st and the possibility of more draft picks. If that's how you want to look at it, remove AB from the trade and dump him elsewhere. Then make the pick 2023 for sure, and add a 2nd.

Yeah but I really like Rasmussen and have the most respect for someone who fulfilled their new year's eve resolution.

Also I think now's the year to stop selling and start actually building. Enough assets have been cleared.

I've been a Rasmussen supporter from the beginning. He was a project when he was drafted, but I wanted Liljigren or Necas.

He has gotten better every year. He is awesome now as a role player with some skill. I won't give him away. A first in 2023 nets you Moore, Pelikka, and Barlow. That is a crazy good core for the future with Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Mazur, Berggren, Kasper, Wallinder/Johansson, etc....

You think the Canucks will be good enough to end up with a mid to late 1st?

Yes its possible that Beauvillier get's hurt, but that kind of risk is present in pretty much every kind of deal involving players the NHL. Adding Beauvillier for a single year is not a bad thing for the Red Wings. He would improve the team next year and they have the flexibility to keep him, trade him or simply take the cap space. All of those scenarios are fine for the Red Wings from someone who fills the role of cap dump in the trade.

I originally had it as Myers + 1st 2024 (top-10 protected) for Rasmussen. If Detroit doesn't want Beauvillier then the Canucks just don't sign Barbashev in this scenario.

Now you are getting unreasonable. 2024 is no protection. Period.

Detroit doesn't need a 1 year rental. Detroit isn't taking Myers and giving Rasmussen for a protected 1st. Not even close. No matter how you look at the proposal you have, Detroit declines. Detroit isn't helping your cap for a protected 1st, at the cost of a top 9 plug with physicality that is lacking in the current lineup. Rasmussen will continue to get better. The cost is not a protected 1st.

I wonder if we could move the protection to top 5? That I feel is a reasonable compromise. I don't mind taking Beau, he can provide some value in the future. I do agree that we don't need to be selling more and Ras is the exact type of player we need. It is a pretty good return though and I think if there was a desire to want to move Ras this would really good some weight. There are some intriguing players coming up in next year's draft, some decent RHDs as well. I also think Mazur could also be a future replacement for Ras.

The 1st is in '24.

I was going on my counter proposal..

Oh. If it's their 1st in '23 then I'll be sad but I'll drive Moose to Vancouver myself.

The Canucks traded their captain on a 50 goal pace and got back a top-12 protected 1st. There's nothing to suggest that the protection should be removed. If you wouldn't do the deal that's fine, but the Canucks aren't moving an unprotected 1st.

Yeah that's an easy yes lol. I'm on the side of wanting another first round pick, but I really like Ras. I actually think the trade is pretty fair, maybe top 5 protection instead of top 10.

Top 5 protection?

Because he was going to leave as an unrestricted free agent. Ras is cost controlled and improving, and has no interest in leaving. Horvat is at his ceiling, Ras is still climbing (although I do concede it is almost a certainty it won't be as high as Horvat).

That's a possible solution. Top-8 protected would be enough for me I think.

No protection. Period. Rasmussen is an NHLer, and a good one who will continue to get better. Anything after top 5 or even top 3 may not make the NHL or may not make any impact for a few years. Rasmussen is performing at top 9 level with a ceiling at top 6. You don't give that away for a lottery ticket.

If you are drafting RHD next year with a pick in the teens, you won't see that player for 3 years at best. Not a good spot for Detroit. Rasmussen for a 2023 1st is really how this thing breaks down. Rasmussen is a top 10 pick himself.

Vancouver still needs to add.

Horvat's value was also much, much higher than Rasmussen's at the deadline.