not good. 88 is a 40 goal scorer that shows up in the playoffs every year. nobody trades that for a potential low end 2C and some not very good draft picks. nothing on the jackets really pops out if i'm the Leafs but if CBJ wants Nylander it probably starts with Johnson

I dont think Robertson and Abrueze have the value to make that happen.

And Murray retained is still a negative asset.

I dont think that gets just one of Foligno or Hartmen

I think Johnson is well off limits for the Jackets. I would love to have him but his value is much closer to Nyalnders which means why trade him? He's cheaper younger and COULD potentially be just as good as Nylander

Nylander is worth a low 1st and an A prospect. I don't know how good Sillinger is / was but if you feel he is an A prospect, then this trade would be fair as your low 1st is a high 2nd and high 4th.

Jackets don't need more wingers and KJ has barely played any center in the NHL so I don't know where you get that he will continue as 1C from.

While the value is fair for the jackets the last thing they need is to get rid of a promising young center for a rental winger.

Instead of Nylander they need an established 1C.

I don't think Murray is a negative assets. His biggest issue is his injury history, which if he gets one, he simply goes on LTIR and doesn't count towards the cap. I think people forget before he got injuried, Murray was the number one goalie for the start of the season for us. However I do agree with you that Rob and Abz probably aren't enough to get both Hartman and Foligno

You often play your young guys on the wing for the start of their career. I fully expect Johnson to transition back to center this upcoming season. I know its been a while since he's played but I feel the end goal for the Jackets is to have him play C

You aren't dumping Matt Murray on Minnesota when they don't need a G, and b prospect winger Minnesota doesn't need and basically ahl body / low prospect along with 2nd round pick for Minnesota 1c and cheap player in Hartman and foligno

Minnesota has zero reason to trade Hartman. G is the last thing they need with Gus, Fleury and wallstedt. LTIr doesn't work like fans think.

I expect Fluery to retire and I was suggesting that Murray is there for the start of the season behind Gus. Wall would come up in case of an injury which is likely and would then take over the back up role. I worry that Wall is not ready for a full time back up job (maybe he is, he is a highly sought after prospect) but then I also worry about a full time Gus. I think Murray is just the insurance for both.

Fleury isn't retiring. He's chasing Patrick Roy or whatever his name is, he's chasing his record. That much is clear which is why he's coming back

MAF has said publicly he isn't retiring and he is staying in MN. and Murray at 5m is 100% a negative value to the wild (as a backup) and probably most teams.

I like the deal for Columbus, but I also just like Nylander a lot. I'd do it for this deal but I don't know if Dubas would. That said, it feels like a waste of assets for Columbus when those same assets could be used to shore up an area of need, whether center or defense. Good deal in a vacuum, not a great deal in practice.

3 things would have to happen for Columbus to make this trade.

A) Nylander would need to come with an extension, Nylander doesn’t make a cup contender next season.

B) Columbus has to be sure that Carlsson and Johnson can be top 6 NHL centers because if they aren’t why would be losing their best and only back up option if either of those 2 bust. If either one of them bust it would just prolong their rebuild.

C) they have to think the Sillinger isn’t going to be anything more then a middle 6 center destined for the 3rd line and 2nd line in a pinch.

Imo I don’t think Nylander signs an extension in Columbus and I don’t think Columbus has given up on Sillinger, so I wouldn’t make this trade if I were Jamro, I would judge that Columbus isn’t ready for adding rentals and the future of Sillinger will mean more then the one season that Nylander would be in Columbus for.

So many others hit it on the head. Minnesota wouldn't consider this trade. If I'm being honest, the cap hit going out has to be more than the cap hit coming in at the moment. No offense, but there aren't many options for the Leafs and Wild to make a trade happen. It would have to be equal money going out or you would have to retain more than we can take on. We have $14.7 million in dead cap space this year and next with the buyouts. So it has to be equal money trades. If you want Hartman it's picks coming back or Knies. Anything over 1.7 million just doesn't work for us unfortunately. Robertson I don't see being brought here due to size and roster slotting. I just don't see a lot making sense here.

I think the problem with Murray is, and exact;y why Ottawa dealt him at a loss, is the yo-yo effect. Hes a 4.6mil cap hit that is healthy, IR, healthy, LTIR, healthy, LTIR, healthy, IR....meaning you have to carry a solid and cheap, waiver exempt goalie to cover, all the while having this yo-yo circus with a guy getting paid as a Number 1. I mean theres no way Dubas took Murray with the idea that he play just 20 or so games and give them cap relief on the LTIR.

He put up a good 20 games, (even with cap relief LTIR thats an expensive 20 games), but for the circus and the cap hit (albeit some of it relieved due intermittent LTIR relief), isnt worth it, and lets face it any team thats taking Murray is probably a rebuilding club that LTIR relief isnt as important.

Im not saying he has oodles of negative value, but he does have negative value.

Can you link me this? I haven't read this at all! Thanks

https://theathletic.com/4468714/2023/04/29/wild-first-round-loss-nhl-playoffs/

i'm sure its behind a paywall so ill include the related info

Fleury plans to keep playing
Marc-Andre Fleury, who mopped up with six saves after replacing Filip Gustavsson to start the third, made it clear after the game he “for sure” plans to play out the final year of his contract. He has one year left at $3.5 million and doesn’t plan to retire. “I’ve still got one more year and it might be it,” Fleury said. “It is too bad. We have a good bunch of guys, great chemistry and a good team. We had good depth. I really believed we were going to go deeper here in the playoffs. It’s a little bit stunning.”

The only reason the 38-year-old’s future was a question is that he started only one game in the playoffs and told The Athletic last summer that he signed for two years because he wouldn’t want to move his family again after this season — but that he would be willing to play ball with the Wild and retire if he showed this season he couldn’t play up to his standards.

Fleury won 24 games and is seven from tying Patrick Roy for the second-most regular-season wins (551) in NHL history.

Asked how he dealt with starting just once in the playoffs as opposed to five games last postseason, Fleury said, referring to a Game 2, 7-3 loss, “It was hard because I wasn’t happy with the game I played. Maybe it wasn’t the best as a team, but I didn’t help either. I wasn’t good. Other than that, only one guy can play and Gus has been good and consistent all season long. That’s fine. That’s fine with me. I tried to encourage the guys, I tried to encourage Gus, support him.”

Appreciated man! I thought I had read that after the playoffs he was struggling and might be done.