Trading with win-now teams that follow a TB model

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Created by: KentMcNally

Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 4, 2023

Published: Jun. 4, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

I think some teams could start following the Lightning model of trying to win now (for various reasons described below) and placing lesser value on picks that will probably not have much of an impact for 3 to 5 years
Calgary- new GM wants to maximize Huberdeau’s, Kadri’s and Weegar’s value (all signed long term( and help convince Lindholm to stick around
Pittsburgh- make another playoff run for Geno and Sid’s sake and dropping bad cap space to help add better supporting cast players
Rangers- certainly seem to be in win now mode
Colorado- in win now mode and still have a decent amount of high quality youth, so trading picks is not the end of the world

I know these are too many moves, but it would be fun (from the Habs perspective)

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Caufield, Cole		7	$7,900,000
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël		3	$2,500,000

Trades

MTL

Mangiapane, Andrew
2023 1st round pick (CGY)

CGY

Anderson, Josh ($2,000,000 retained)
2023 1st round pick (FLA)
2024 2nd round pick (COL)
2025 2nd round pick (MTL)

MTL

Granlund, Mikael
2023 1st round pick (PIT)

PIT

Kidney, Riley
Struble, Jayden
2023 2nd round pick (MTL)

MTL

2023 1st round pick (COL)

COL

Dvorak, Christian ($1,450,000 retained)
Edmundson, Joel ($1,500,000 retained)

MTL

Panarin, Artemi
2023 1st round pick (NYR)

NYR

MTL

Retained Salary Transactions

Josh Anderson: $2,000,000 (36.36%)
Christian Dvorak: $1,450,000 (32.58%)
Joel Edmundson: $1,500,000 (171.43%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$83,500,000	$68,062,499	$1,170,000	$4,195,000	$15,437,501

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $7,900,000$7,900,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 7	Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 2
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Dach, Kirby $3,362,500$3,362,500 C, RW RFA - 3	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
Pitlick, Rem $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 2	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Pezzetta, Michael $812,500$812,500 LW, RW UFA - 2	Granlund, Mikael $5,000,000$5,000,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Mangiapane, Andrew $5,800,000$5,800,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
	Suzuki, Ryan $863,333$863,333 C RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($275,000$275K) RD RFA - 1	Allen, Jake $1,925,000$1,925,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Harris, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Xhekaj, Arber $828,333$828,333 LD/RD RFA - 1	Montembeault, Samuel $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 1
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 2	Kovacevic, Johnathan $766,667$766,667 RD UFA - 2
Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 3

Jun. 4, 2023 at 12:46 p.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Flames laugh and hang up so fast. Mangiapane >>> Anderson

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 12:49 p.m.

CorrosionRF

Joined: Apr. 2023

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1) Mangiapane >> Anderson 2) Conroy just talked about the importance of building through the draft. Don’t think he is trading away picks to win now with a team that missed the playoffs.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 12:50 p.m.

Lunatik

Joined: May 2017

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Why the would the Flames take an older and lesser player, then also trade down in the first round to gain 2nds in lesser drafts? All to gain what? 2m in cap space?

Hard pass.

Edit: Also that Panarin deal, LMFAO. Homie must be starving because they're trying to steal bread from everywhere.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 1:06 p.m.

Fox_Czar_Cup

Joined: Apr. 2016

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Funny how you nab a 1st with Panarin like he's a dump, then flip him for Morrow & Suzuki.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 1:11 p.m.

HockeyManiac95

and proud of it

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Maybe Colorado accepts

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 1:14 p.m.

Will27

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Quoting: HockeyManiac95

Maybe Colorado accepts

They definitely do not accept. Hard no from the avs.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 1:14 p.m.

Mjoyce001

Banned

Joined: May 2023

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Bread isn't waiving for Montreal like ever

Jun. 4, 2023 at 1:15 p.m.

HockeyManiac95

and proud of it

Joined: Feb. 2023

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Quoting: Will27

They definitely do not accept. Hard no from the avs.

why?

Jun. 4, 2023 at 1:16 p.m.

brgh4life

Joined: Jun. 2019

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Pens are wasting the 1st to dump a player they can just buyout.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 1:26 p.m.

#10

Dan_the_Man

Joined: Oct. 2022

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Everyone with the slight exception of Colorado hangs up immediately and blocks the number for wasting their time.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.

#11

Will27

Joined: Oct. 2020

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Quoting: HockeyManiac95

why?

not paying a first to add 5 million in cap where players of better value can be found in free agency.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 2:06 p.m.

#12

Onlyfairtrades1

Joined: Feb. 2023

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How does that proposed Ranger trade help them win now?

Jun. 4, 2023 at 3:02 p.m.

#13

AvsFanatic96_01_22

Trust MacFarland

Joined: May 2023

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Avs are good on left handed defenseman and wouldn’t want a 3rd line center for a first which can be used as an asset to actually trade for a legitimate 2C.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 3:26 p.m.

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NMAvsFan

Representing the 505

Joined: Sep. 2020

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Avs aren't going to make a dumb trade like the Bolts did with Jeannot. They need impact players coming back in any trade of major assets, not role players.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 5:13 p.m.

#15

TJTwolf

Joined: Jan. 2017

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Awful for the Avs. Hard, fast nope!

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Jun. 5, 2023 at 12:53 a.m.

#16

Nick_SUCCzuki

Suczuking Kotkaniemi

Joined: Mar. 2021

Posts: 327

Likes: 125

Colorado is the only close one. Every other team laughs (I would love getting Mangiapane tho)

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