I think this gets done if Yzerman wants Cat and can lock him up

lmao why are the Leafs retaining 2M

They are better off buying him out

That's way too much for him.

I'm in favour of trading for him, but not at that price. Berggy isn't available. Take him out and there's a deal to be made.

Canada blocks Yzerman’s number.

Sens are likely to get impact roster players for DeBrincat, prospects and picks don’t help the team.

Leafs don’t need to add a 1st baseman to move Murray, they’ll buy him out before they do that. And retaining on him makes absolutely no sense - it’s cheaper for the buyout.

If you’re set on only giving up picksrospects for DeBrincat then start with Detroit’s own 1st round pick instead. Ottawa might be able to draft a player to start in the lineup with it but other than that they’ll likely want roster players.

Hell no on the Cat deal.

Ottawa will not do your counter offer

This isn't realistic at all. Murray no longer becomes a cap dump at 2M retained. That's a massive overpay for Debrincat.

Meant only $1,000,000 for Murray...and ya'll acting like just a 1st (17th) is enough for DeBrincat. It'd have to be more for them to trade within the division. Has to be a 1st, prospect, decent roster player. It's gonna be uncomfortable.

Still even at 1M retained we don't get that return for Murray. We can afford take the whole cap hit plus that's the reason Toronto would want to move him is to dump his whole salary. They would just buy him out then.
We all know it's going to cost more than #17 this year. But #17 plus a second and third or equivalent roster players is likely the deal. Sens don't have a ton of negotiating power in a trade for him. He gave them a list of 10 teams he would accept extensions with. Out of those 10 teams they will both have to want him and have the cap space for the extension. You literally have the value of 2 1sts and 2 2nds there. That's a massive overpay. Basically cut that in half.

Considering this is a massive overpay for Cat, they can use these pieces to go get Hart and Konecny. Also Berggren is a roster player so they get a younger replacement player then assets to do what they want with. Either way this trade doesn't happen from the Detroit side.

Too expensive wings pass

Massive overpay? By who? .. just because you think you’re giving up a lot of value doesn’t mean you are. What determines the value of your offer is the other team, and like I said this doesn’t do anything for Ottawa so it has very little value for them.

I said they’d want IMPACT roster players, never said young. Berggren is a bottom 6 forward. That doesn’t have a lot of impact. & the picks and prospects don’t help Ottawa now. Why would they use them to go get Hart or Konecny when they already have the assets to get those players? So you’re lessening the value of DeBrincat for nothing. It doesn’t make any sense at all for Ottawa. & frankly I don’t think Detroit has the pieces they’d be willing to move to get DeBrincat so a deal between them probably isn’t happening.

Lol, brother Berggren is NOT a bottom 6 forward. You clearly don’t know anything about the guy so, pump the brakes a little bit on your very wrong assessment of the player. Geez man people on here are really funny sometimes.

Lol. Gotta love the arrogant assholes on here thinking they know everything..

Tell me this: where would Berggren play in Ottawa? Cause their top 6 is already locked in with Tkachuk, Stutzle, Pinto, Batherson, Giroux, and Norris.. making Berggren a third liner at best.. in other words a bottom 6 forward.

Geez. Just cause he plays top 6 on 1 team doesn’t make him a top 6 guy elsewhere.

Guess you’re laughing at yourself now kid.

I love when people take advantage of the internet like you.

Watch your mouth.

Lol.

This dude about to say “iF deTrOiT wANtS CaT TheY’d HaVE tO TRaDe Seider oR Raymond.”

Cat’s value is lower now than it was last year. 1) less production. 2) Contract. 3) Ottawa had little to no leverage

Ottawa traded for a 41 goal scorer at a 6.4M cap hit.
They are trading a 27 goal scorer at a 8-9M cap hit, who has the leverage and doesn’t want to be there.
I’m not saying it’ll be Detroit, but Ottawa will not get back what they paid for him, let alone more.

Cool, find a different trading partner!

I can't wait for the trade to happen and for you to be extremely disappointed and underwhelmed lol. Quit talking about the Cat like he's a superstar. He can put the puck in the net, no doubt about it, but he only got 66 points and was a....wait for it...... MINUS 31.

He didn’t play with Norris or Stutzle but go off

You’re judging a player off a +/- stat? .. that’s literally the worse stat to judge a player from. Lol.

Wow. Can you not read? Where did I ever once mention Seider or Raymond’s name? Not once. Lol. I said impact player, I never said who. I also said “& frankly I don’t think Detroit has the pieces they’d be willing to move to get DeBrincat so a deal between them probably isn’t happening.” - in other words guys like Raymond or Seider wouldn’t be moved and that a deal isn’t likely between the two teams. Learn to read before commenting next time.

Also:
1) less production doesn’t mean less value. You have to look at how he’s used and in what types of situations or who he played with. He didn’t play with Stutzle or Norris so he didn’t have a good centreman to get him the puck, obviously that affects his production. Get him someone who can feed him the puck better and watch him score 40 goals again easily.
2) he doesn’t have a contract. He hasn’t even signed his qualifying offer yet so if he’s moved before that happens then his contract doesn’t have any affect on his value because he’s an RFA that his team has negotiating rights with. He’s submitted a list of teams he’s willing to sign with so any team getting him can be assured that it won’t be a 1 year rental and he’ll come with an extension.
3) Calgary had little to no leverage - Tkachuk was in the exact same situation and gave them 3 teams that’d he sign with and look at what Calgary got.. 2 IMPACT players and more.

Now before you read that wrong again I’m not saying that DeBrincat is worth what Tkachuk returned - but it’s a trade comparison for Ottawa since they’re looking to compete and Calgary was ask well. Picks and prospects don’t help them contend now, impact roster players do.

I’m buy that Detroit and Ottawa might not make a trade. Fine. What I’m saying is Cat’s value is lower. 1) Production does correlate to value. Can Cat score 40 again, yes. Did he show that he needs a top center to be worth what his contract will demand? Also yes. And 2) the contract does matter. He’s gonna want 8-9M and his production last year does not warrant that so yeah, that hurts his value. Essentially, Ottawa traded for a 41 goal scorer with a 6.4M cap hit and they are trading away a 27 goal scorer with an 8-9M cap hit. Which one has more value? And 3) Tkachuk isn’t a fully accurate comparison because Tkachuk wasn’t coming off of a down year and plays a much more complete style of game, which teams will pay more for. As you said, Tkachuk is worth more. Maybe they’re similar situations but they are definitely not the same and barely comparable.

That doesn’t mean he can’t get back to 40. But professional sports is a “what have you done lately” business (unless you’re Ken Holland, he’s what did you do 5 years ago type of guy).

Also, look up “hyperbole” and “sarcasm”