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Team: 2023-24 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 10, 2023
Published: Jun. 10, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,500,000
3$1,200,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
Trades
1.
CHI
  1. Goodrow, Barclay
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)
Additional Details:
Obviously would need to pass the NTC.
NYR
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (CHI)
Additional Details:
Is it worth it? Goodrow isn't an AHLer, but cap hit too high AND rising salary. BUT good deep draft and can help play a physical style game
2.
CHI
  1. Granlund, Mikael
  2. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Raddysh, Taylor
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (DAL)
3.
CHI
  1. Bailey, Josh
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Anderson, Joey [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
Recapture Fees
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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Logo of the CHI
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$83,500,000$66,951,791$0$1,387,500$16,548,209
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, C, RW
RFA - 2
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$505,000$505K)
LW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$950,000$950,000
C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Rangers
$3,641,667$3,641,667
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$2,650,000$2,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$758,333$758,333
LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$1,200,000$1,200,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$800,000$800,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$800,000$800,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$962,500$962,500
G
RFA - 2
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$859,167$859,167 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$3,800,000$3,800,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$900,000$900,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$900,000$900,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Jun. 10, 2023 at 7:47 a.m.
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If that's the cost to move Goodrow, they simply buy him out
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 7:48 a.m.
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If they need to move him at all, and that's the cost to move Goodrow, they simply buy him out
Jun. 10, 2023 at 7:50 a.m.
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If that's the cost to move Goodrow, they simply buy him out


They're certainly welcome to. 8 years is a long time...well I guess 6...years 3-8.
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 7:57 a.m.
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They're certainly welcome to. 8 years is a long time...well I guess 6...years 3-8.


not saying it's the best option- for sure they'd rather be free and clear ASAP. But his contract was made for an eventual buyout. The only truly painful year is just after Panarin comes off the books and the rest of the way just over 1M per year. Again- not ideal, but better than losing a 1st in a supposed deep draft.
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 7:57 a.m.
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Looks fair to me.
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 7:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Jimbo1119
not saying it's the best option- for sure they'd rather be free and clear ASAP. But his contract was made for an eventual buyout. The only truly painful year is just after Panarin comes off the books and the rest of the way just over 1M per year. Again- not ideal, but better than losing a 1st in a supposed deep draft.


The counter to the "Deep draft" is that you should be able to find NHL talent in the 2nd early 3rd. Wouldn't a "Deep draft" mean its easier to trade down this year vs a different year?
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:00 a.m.
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The counter to the "Deep draft" is that you should be able to find NHL talent in the 2nd early 3rd. Wouldn't a "Deep draft" mean its easier to trade down this year vs a different year?


^ ^ THIS ^ ^
Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:15 a.m.
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^ ^ THIS ^ ^


Maybe so...I mean in every draft players are picked in the 3rd who amount to real good NHL players. It's just that it is a crap shoot. I'm not sure how the talent tiers actually stack up in this draft- but historically, the % of getting a useful player at pick #24 vs pick #67 is not even close. So just a little to much risk to take when they do have other options.
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:16 a.m.
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In the past, I have always gone after Raddysh. Great contract, solid player. I just think that if now, we move out our 1st + Granlund, it wouldnt be for a RW. We have Rakell, Rust and Nylander as our 3 RW, so unless you wanna move one out to LW, which I dont think is wise, I would target a different position.
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:27 a.m.
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In the past, I have always gone after Raddysh. Great contract, solid player. I just think that if now, we move out our 1st + Granlund, it wouldnt be for a RW. We have Rakell, Rust and Nylander as our 3 RW, so unless you wanna move one out to LW, which I dont think is wise, I would target a different position.


Raddysh is easily better than Nylander by a significant margin, and playing on a higher caliber roster like PIT, I'd say Raddysh has a decent shot at taking one of Rakell or Rust's jobs in the top 6. Which would give PIT the option to possibly move one of them and bring in more assets. Radz has also had some success playing the LW, in a limited sample size, though.
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:29 a.m.
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Raddysh is easily better than Nylander by a significant margin, and playing on a higher caliber roster like PIT, I'd say Raddysh has a decent shot at taking one of Rakell or Rust's jobs in the top 6. Which would give PIT the option to possibly move one of them and bring in more assets. Radz has also had some success playing the LW, in a limited sample size, though.


I do think he is better than Nylander, for sure, but Sullivan committed to him and believes in him after giving him the extension, so we should might as well see what we really got in him. Rust has a NMC, so I doubt he is going anywhere, and Rakell is too good to move out. I would love Raddysh, I just think that there are other areas we should target before RW.
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Jimbo1119
not saying it's the best option- for sure they'd rather be free and clear ASAP. But his contract was made for an eventual buyout. The only truly painful year is just after Panarin comes off the books and the rest of the way just over 1M per year. Again- not ideal, but better than losing a 1st in a supposed deep draft.


The contract is as you said, designed to be bought out, AND the hit for almost every year is larely 1 million in cap, as the cap will actually rise. So the rise in cap will make up for his buyout every year.

So the rangers don't "need" to trade him and attach an asset.
Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:34 a.m.
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Quoting: Marcsnack
In the past, I have always gone after Raddysh. Great contract, solid player. I just think that if now, we move out our 1st + Granlund, it wouldnt be for a RW. We have Rakell, Rust and Nylander as our 3 RW, so unless you wanna move one out to LW, which I dont think is wise, I would target a different position.


I like the optionality part of this. PIT can go after even bigger names for the Crosby era, ROR, Barbashev, Bunting, etc... guys that on championship teams would play middle six roles....ALSO there are some LWers too like you're looking for.
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:36 a.m.
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I do think he is better than Nylander, for sure, but Sullivan committed to him and believes in him after giving him the extension, so we should might as well see what we really got in him. Rust has a NMC, so I doubt he is going anywhere, and Rakell is too good to move out. I would love Raddysh, I just think that there are other areas we should target before RW.


Yeah. I get that. I just feel like PIT isn't really in "wait and see" mode. They want to win now. Plus, Nylander's contract wasn't that much of a commitment, comparatively. But, I could still see Nylander having more success at the NHL level than what we've seen from him so far. When he was with CHI, I always thought it was more of a coaching and chemistry problem than a problem with him. Colliton was awful, so that made it difficult to really gauge players who were in CHI during that time.
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:51 a.m.
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I would be okay with this, but it depends on who is on the board at the time of the NYR picks. (I’m fine with the PIT trade however it comes.)
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Jun. 10, 2023 at 8:54 a.m.
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I would be okay with this, but it depends on who is on the board at the time of the NYR picks. (I’m fine with the PIT trade however it comes.)


Agreed. It would be like another Rinzel pick imo. This and the Hawks 2023 2nd. Player with high ceiling but needs a lot of development time. Potentially one of those Russians...Simashev or Butt or Gulyayev.
Jun. 10, 2023 at 9:35 a.m.
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The contract is as you said, designed to be bought out, AND the hit for almost every year is larely 1 million in cap, as the cap will actually rise. So the rise in cap will make up for his buyout every year.

So the rangers don't "need" to trade him and attach an asset.



There is a small chance that they don’t even need to move him this year.
But assuming they do look to move him this summer the points you make are why they don’t need to spend that much to move him. But 6 years of dead cap is still a burden. Even though the cap will eventually rise, and players like Trouba and Panarin will no longer occupy the cap space they currently do, there will be other players to spend money on- Shesty being one. So if they can move Goodrow either for a slight return or for a mild pay, those are better options than the buyout. But paying a 1st? No way.
Jun. 10, 2023 at 9:42 a.m.
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Agreed. It would be like another Rinzel pick imo. This and the Hawks 2023 2nd. Player with high ceiling but needs a lot of development time. Potentially one of those Russians...Simashev or Butt or Gulyayev.


Your post says 2023 3rd, I think that’s fair.
Jun. 10, 2023 at 9:44 a.m.
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Your post says 2023 3rd, I think that’s fair.


For the trade 100%. I shifted the convo (poorly apparently...sorry) to draft strategy. With a lot of picks I'd go for another high ceiling players with the Hawks 2023 2nd. Trade away the 2023 3rd.
Jun. 10, 2023 at 10:56 a.m.
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Drury doesn't even consider that nonsense offer.
Jun. 10, 2023 at 2:15 p.m.
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For the trade 100%. I shifted tbe convo (poorly apparently...sorry) to draft strategy. With a lot of picks I'd go for another high ceiling players with the Hawks 2023 2nd. Trade away the 2023 3rd.


I understand now, I think it was too early in the morning for me so no worries.
 
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