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Seattle-Carolina Blockbuster

Created by: Hockyluv21
Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 18, 2023
Published: Jun. 18, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Canes radically upgrade their goaltending in anticipation of a slight decline in defensive metrics post-Pesce. Pesce re-signs in Seattle for 8 years, $7M AAV.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,500,000
1$3,000,000
1$3,000,000
1$900,000
2$2,500,000
Trades
1.
2.
NSH
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (CAR)
  2. 2023 5th round pick (VAN)
3.
ANA
  1. Gunler, Noel
  2. Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
  3. Rees, Jamieson
  4. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$80,519,417$450,000$57,500$2,980,583
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$8,460,250$8,460,250
C
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
RFA - 1
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$7,750,000$7,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
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$4,820,000$4,820,000
C
UFA - 7
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
C
RFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,280,000$5,280,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 4
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$900,000$900,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$859,167$859,167 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
$900,000$900,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:19 a.m.
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Edited Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:24 a.m.
I don't think SEA would be looking to move off of McCann and Bjorkstrand since they are 2/3 cost controlled top 6 players that they have with 3-years+ in term. They are also among the younger players. Acquiring a defensive guy like Pesce is probably not high on their list anyways.
Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:22 a.m.
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I don't think SEA would be looking to move off of McCann and Bjorkstrand since they are 2/3 cost controlled top 6 players that they have with 3-years+ in term. They are also among the younger players.

Acquiring a defensive guy like Pesce is probably not high on their list anyways.


The big piece that you're forgetting to mention is the already-good NHL player, 21-year old Seth Jarvis. That's the piece that I thought would make the trade interesting for Seattle to consider, especially since Beniers and Wright are in the same age range as him.
Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:27 a.m.
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The big piece that you're forgetting to mention is the already-good NHL player, 21-year old Jarvis. That's the piece that I thought would make the trade interesting for Seattle to consider, especially since Beniers and Wright are in the same age range as him.


I didn't forget Jarvis. McCann, who is probably the main piece that you want/are willing to give up Jarvis for, is likely not available in a Pesce trade if SEA were to try acquiring him. So, it would likely be Bjorkstrand+ for Pesce.

McCann is a proven goal scorer in the league which isn't something that SEA has a ton of either. I don't see Jarvis scoring more than 30, even when he breaks out but even if he could, it doesn't make much sense for SEA to let go of their best goal scorer. They are trying to compete now not just in the future.
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Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:31 a.m.
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Don't see a world where Gibson gets a quarter of that package any more. He's one of the most overrated goalies in the league. Morrow is a top prospect. If anything the ducks should be paying to move that dump of a salary.

I'd target Ullmark or Hart if you are trading for a goalie. The ducks seem to be content keeping Gibson because nobody is trading the moon for him because it is no longer 2017 when he was a good goalie.
Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:35 a.m.
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Don't see a world where Gibson gets a quarter of that package any more. He's one of the most overrated goalies in the league. Morrow is a top prospect. If anything the ducks should be paying to move that dump of a salary.

I'd target Ullmark or Hart if you are trading for a goalie. The ducks seem to be content keeping Gibson because nobody is trading the moon for him because it is no longer 2017 when he was a good goalie.


Tell me you’ve never watched a Ducks hockey without telling me you’ve never watched Ducks hockey.
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Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:39 a.m.
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Don't see a world where Gibson gets a quarter of that package any more. He's one of the most overrated goalies in the league. Morrow is a top prospect. If anything the ducks should be paying to move that dump of a salary.

I'd target Ullmark or Hart if you are trading for a goalie. The ducks seem to be content keeping Gibson because nobody is trading the moon for him because it is no longer 2017 when he was a good goalie.


I think Gibson does fetch maybe a 1st+something decent still (especially if Anaheim retains 1M) because he has that reputation still and while his stats aren't good he's very much an overworked goalie like Hart who you could also argue is just as overrated even of he's only 24.

I do agree with you that he wouldn't fetch that package though, especially with all the high end goalies that may be/are available via trade.
Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:41 a.m.
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Tell me you’ve never watched a Ducks hockey without telling me you’ve never watched Ducks hockey.


The Ducks team defense last season was one of the worst that I've personally ever seen in the cap era. Gibson was close to .900 despite facing over 37 shots per game with large amounts of high-danger chances. The 4.00 GAA is a testament to how bad Anaheim was, not Gibson. Mark my words, if Gibson is placed behind the Carolina defense, he will be Juuse Saros 2.0.
Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:46 a.m.
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The Ducks team defense last season was one of the worst that I've personally ever seen in the cap era. Gibson was close to .900 despite facing over 37 shots per game with large amounts of high-danger chances. The 4.00 GAA is a testament to how bad Anaheim was, not Gibson. Mark my words, if Gibson is placed behind the Carolina defense, he will be Juuse Saros 2.0.


Ding ding ding!! We have a winner!!
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Jun. 18, 2023 at 2:49 a.m.
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The Ducks team defense last season was one of the worst that I've personally ever seen in the cap era. Gibson was close to .900 despite facing over 37 shots per game with large amounts of high-danger chances. The 4.00 GAA is a testament to how bad Anaheim was, not Gibson. Mark my words, if Gibson is placed behind the Carolina defense, he will be Juuse Saros 2.0.


Doesn't matter, he has not been good for 5 years. People argue his back has broken, which is fair given the extent of their defense, however you got goalies like Vejmelka who are literally carrying equally bad teams to wins constantly. Vej had like 5 really bad games that drag his whole statline down. Gibson used to carry the ducks thru, but he simply hasn't been a top 10 goalie in years.

Besides, if you are trading for an actually good goalie, you shouldn't need a high end defense. With that logic you can go after just about anyone average and be good. Gibson would be better in seattle and just about everywhere else, but I disagree that he would be elite and absolutely disagree that he is worth this package.

I would counter with Grubauer for the first and Gibson 1m retained.
Jun. 18, 2023 at 3:35 a.m.
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Interesting blockbuster trade idea. There's a lot of moving parts involved, but purely based on value this seems reasonable. However, I ultimately don't think Seattle would do it. I think they would have interest in upgrading their defense, so pursuing Pesce makes sense on some level. However, I can't see the Kraken giving up McCann to do so. Trading their leading scorer like that would downgrade the offense such that it would cancel out the benefits of adding Pesce. I believe Seattle is more likely to pursue defensive upgrades that don't involve subtracting significant pieces from the current roster.
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Jun. 18, 2023 at 7:59 a.m.
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You are most obviously a Seatle fan
Jun. 18, 2023 at 8:03 a.m.
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Canes pass all around.

Heck no to that gibson deal. He was just bad last year, it’s been the last 4.
Jun. 18, 2023 at 8:41 a.m.
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Brutal deals for the canes.

Not going to get into the Gibson argument that’s already happening in here. But I will say, how much better would Gibson play than somebody like Freddy who was a stud in the playoffs? Or going and getting Varly, Korpisalo, etc behind the canes D and system? Is it worth the mountain of assets? That’s even if you assume Gibson is still a stud and excuse the last 4 seasons..
Jun. 18, 2023 at 9:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Hockyluv21
The Ducks team defense last season was one of the worst that I've personally ever seen in the cap era. Gibson was close to .900 despite facing over 37 shots per game with large amounts of high-danger chances. The 4.00 GAA is a testament to how bad Anaheim was, not Gibson. Mark my words, if Gibson is placed behind the Carolina defense, he will be Juuse Saros 2.0.


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Ding ding ding!! We have a winner!!


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Doesn't matter, he has not been good for 5 years. People argue his back has broken, which is fair given the extent of their defense, however you got goalies like Vejmelka who are literally carrying equally bad teams to wins constantly. Vej had like 5 really bad games that drag his whole statline down. Gibson used to carry the ducks thru, but he simply hasn't been a top 10 goalie in years.

Besides, if you are trading for an actually good goalie, you shouldn't need a high end defense. With that logic you can go after just about anyone average and be good. Gibson would be better in seattle and just about everywhere else, but I disagree that he would be elite and absolutely disagree that he is worth this package.

I would counter with Grubauer for the first and Gibson 1m retained.


Luckily, we have stats to provide some kind of context. Gibson rates poorly to terribly in all of them - traditional stats (sv%, gaa) and advanced stats )goals saved above expected, hd save %, etc) . Goalies in equally bad teams - Hart, Montembault, Vejmelka) all put up much better numbers . With these numbers, that contract and deteriorating year on year performance - hard to believe you could move him for FC at this point
Jun. 18, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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While Pesce and Jarvis would certainly be intriguing pieces to consider if offered, McCann has been tremendous for the Kraken and is cost-controlled with a very favorable contract. Pesce's great, but I would assume (hope)---while also considering the other pieces in the trade as well---that Francis would pass.
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Jun. 18, 2023 at 11:24 a.m.
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Take any one of those prospects out -- including Morrow, who I think is the best of the three -- and I would accept that offer as the Anaheim GM, and wish Gibby well.
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